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== Administrators' noticeboard ==
== Administrators' noticeboard ==
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::::::Er...they borrowed the move. Just because they take an element from Smash doesn't mean they had an involvement in development. Again, Sakurai would've mentioned something if they had a large part in development. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 14:47, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::Er...they borrowed the move. Just because they take an element from Smash doesn't mean they had an involvement in development. Again, Sakurai would've mentioned something if they had a large part in development. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 14:47, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Also, Smash 4 came 18 months before Planet Robobot. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 19:25, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Also, Smash 4 came 18 months before Planet Robobot. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 19:25, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::::When a part of ''[[Smash 4]]'''s legal info says "Original Game: © Nintendo / HAL Laboratory, Inc.", what exactly is that legal referring to, [[Super Smash Bros.|the first ''Smash'' game]] or the latest one(s)? [[User:Juju1995|Juju1995]] ([[User talk:Juju1995|talk]]) 22:38, 30 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::Pretty sure that means SSB64. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:15, 30 June 2016 (EDT)


== Apology ==
== Apology ==


Im sorry i just really think that waluigi is part of the wario universe. Could you start a poll if waluigi is part of the wario or mario universe? Im a BIG waluigi fan. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:‎CreeperJ123|‎CreeperJ123]] ([[User talk:‎CreeperJ123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/‎CreeperJ123|contribs]]) 16:16, 31 March 2016 (EDT)</small>
Im sorry i just really think that waluigi is part of the wario universe. Could you start a poll if waluigi is part of the wario or mario universe? Im a BIG waluigi fan. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:CreeperJ123|CreeperJ123]] ([[User talk:CreeperJ123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CreeperJ123|contribs]]) 16:16, 31 March 2016 (EDT)</small>
:We do not make polls to determine whether a fact is true or false. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 16:19, 31 March 2016 (EDT)
:We do not make polls to determine whether a fact is true or false. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 16:19, 31 March 2016 (EDT)


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:I never got back to it, and assumed it had been removed already. When I was checking a different edit to the Master Core page, I saw it was still there and removed it, assuming it had been re-added. I was a bit careless in the situation, and for that I apologize; that said I still think it shouldn't be there. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:54, 9 June 2016 (EDT)
:I never got back to it, and assumed it had been removed already. When I was checking a different edit to the Master Core page, I saw it was still there and removed it, assuming it had been re-added. I was a bit careless in the situation, and for that I apologize; that said I still think it shouldn't be there. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:54, 9 June 2016 (EDT)
:Okay, well thanks for explaining. I accept your apology. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:11, 9 June 2016 (EDT)
:Okay, well thanks for explaining. I accept your apology. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:11, 9 June 2016 (EDT)
== [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Tournament_Series&curid=60548&diff=882320&oldid=882283 issues] ==
This was to solve the website thing messing up. I do not see any issues whatsoever. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 20:05, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
:[http://i.imgur.com/RN1TJTe.png this] is what I am seeing with the current version. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 20:07, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
::It had been causing a floating dash on the EVO page and an undesired table cell on the CEO page; regardless, you've fixed it now. Sorry for the ambiguity. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:50, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
== [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Special:Contributions/138.186.31.81 IP 138.186.31.81] ==
Did you really had to permaban that IP who only did two minor vandalism edits? If this guy was a recurring vandal, that fine, but I don't think a permaban was necessary. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Zealot 22:57, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
:There's a difference between someone who makes a "joke" vandalism edit and just downright spiteful hate. Type of vandalism matters a lot more to me than quantity. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:43, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
::Still a permaban on an IP is kinda pointless, isn't it? IPs do change over time after all. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 00:08, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
Isn't there a rule where admins are not allowed to permaban IPs? [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  00:29, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
:Not one set in stone as far as I know, no. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 00:32, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
::[[SmashWiki:Blocking guidelines#Block lengths|Read it and weep. Bottom line]]. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 01:46, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
== The Puff Rollout thing ==
Was equating "elemental" to mean "special" in which case rollout is not. That said I see where you are coming from...it's not that interesting a point. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 18:29, 11 August 2016 (EDT)
:Yeah, it would have to be worded hyper-specifically to avoid being ambiguous. I actually assumed they meant "the other Pokemon shoot a projectile of elemental energy and Jigglypuff doesn't", but even that's kind of uninteresting. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:55, 11 August 2016 (EDT)
== Moved everything ==
Just like it said. Also managed to make pages links to those very sections to save space and the like.
:P.S. Yes, I did indeed forget that Jigglypuff/Purin was Normal/Fairy-type; sue me
--[[User:SneaselSawashiro|SneaselSawashiro]] ([[User talk:SneaselSawashiro|talk]]) 00:03, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
:I don't particularly like your attitude. If you make a mistake, you are going to be called out on it, there is no need to take it personal. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 00:35, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
::Yeah, SK's point had been on my mind as well. Wikis are about collaboration, not about putting other people down. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:09, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
:::Meh, I've already ****ed up on other wikias as well. Another bad habit of mine is I'm very self-deprecating (just typing that out doesn't sound convincing in the slightest from an asswipe like me, I know). --[[User:SneaselSawashiro|SneaselSawashiro]] ([[User talk:SneaselSawashiro|talk]]) 02:47, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
::::I'd encourage more effort spent on self-improvement than self-deprecating or bemoaning your own self-deprecation. Just a thought. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 03:00, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
::::Like Miles said, wikis are a collaborative environment. We all make mistakes, and we learn from them. If you're having personal problems that are affecting your edits or how you view them, talk about it with someone in private if needed. Don't publicly slander yourself after you make a mistake; that's blatant guilt tripping and does not belong in a wiki environment. <b>-- [[File:Yellow sig.png|16px]] [[User:Yellow|<span style="color:#000;text-shadow: 1px 2px 3px #CCCC00;">Yellow</span>]] [[User talk:Yellow|<span style="color:#006400;text-shadow: 1px 2px 3px #9ACD32;">of the Grove</span>]]</b> 03:12, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
== You might want to update your sandbox2 section. ==
I added a File:Ryu SF5.png to the [[Ryu]] page mainly due to the fact that Ryu in Smash 4's design is based on his appearance in Street Fighter V. Just stopping by to make sure you're functioning on this wiki. :) --[[File:FXSig2.png]] [[User:Falcon-X|<span style="color:Red;text-shadow: 0px 0px 5px Red">'''The Combo King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Falcon-X#top|<span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 5px Blue">'''('''''Thanks for Playing, GGs''''')''' </span>]] 14:53, 21 August 2016 (EDT)
:I'll get to it. I update userpages as I get around to it; they're not a high priority. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:32, 21 August 2016 (EDT)
== Image Captions ending in periods ==
At [[Yoshi's_Island_(SSBB)]]: Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of those captions were complete sentances. [[SmashWiki:Manual_of_Style#Captions|So there should be no periods, right?]] [[User:Sir Glazington|Sir Glazington]]  <small>([[User talk:Sir Glazington#top|talk]])</small> 11:22, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
:That part of the Manual of Style doesn't accurately reflect long-standing practices on this wiki, and should probably be corrected. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:54, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
::Dang... That kinda defeats the purpose, now doesn't it? Note taken. Thanks. [[User:Sir Glazington|Sir Glazington]]  <small>([[User talk:Sir Glazington#top|talk]])</small> 12:02, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
:::It's alright; the policy pages aren't always the best representation of what's become common practice, and it's probably worth keeping them better updated. I appreciate your assistance in pointing it out. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:11, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
== Fox ==
If your reasoning for [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Fox_McCloud&diff=next&oldid=901468 not changing to Zero's design] for Fox is "design completely post-dates the ones used by Smash and has major design differences", I urge you to look again. Just compare:
[[File:SFZ_Fox.jpg|x200px]] [[File:Fox SSB4.png|x200px]] [[File:Fox Command.jpg|x200px]]<br>
If you ask me, the ''Zero'' design is way closer to ''Smash'' than the ''Command'' design, particularly in the jacket. <span style="font-family:Chiller;font-size:18px;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #222">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSigHalloween.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">King</span>]]</span> 17:40, 1 October 2016 (EDT)
:If memory serves, the ''Zero'' design is based on ''Smash'', not the other way around. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''the Spooky Dragon Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 17:52, 1 October 2016 (EDT)
::Not exactly like it matters what's based off what. We go for the closest match. <span style="font-family:Chiller;font-size:18px;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #222">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSigHalloween.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">King</span>]]</span> 17:54, 1 October 2016 (EDT)
:::We've been going for "closest origin image". Zero is not an origin image for Smash. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:07, 1 October 2016 (EDT)
== IP ==
Long time we not talk. So [[Special:Contributions/76.220.46.149|this IP]] made [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Dragonfirebreath25&curid=53536&diff=909584&oldid=886233 this edit] on the blocked user. Is it valid? Because I thought admins could only do that kind of edits. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] '''Merry Christ... I mean,''' <font color="Orange">'''Happy Halloween from'''</font> [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Orange">'''BeepYou...'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="#A91101">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 20:34, 31 October 2016 (EDT)
:Is that template they added even in use anywhere else? I don't really see the point of it; anyone can check if a user is blocked in the block log. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:48, 31 October 2016 (EDT)
::It's on Drilly's page. But yeah I agree it is kind of pointless. <span style="font-family:Chiller;font-size:18px;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #000">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSigHalloween.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">King</span>]]'''</span> 21:25, 31 October 2016 (EDT)
== Final Smash template ==
If you could, do you mind explaining how exactly it's a total mess compared to the original version? I honestly see no problems with it, and I will explain why. I would argue it's much more consistent overall. For one thing, leaving the Final Smashes replaced unchanged like that honestly makes the template look ugly. Take the very bottom of it for instance with ZSS's. I would not call that clean at all, what with the out of place parentheses and commas, which doesn't work at all with a template if you ask me. Another thing, separating them by order of introduction helps a user better understand ''when'' exactly they debuted before they even click on the article, which is further assisted by the changes in head icons. This was one of the biggest things that bugged me about that template, especially considering there are other templates that follow under a similar pattern (forgive me the fact that I don't provide any examples, really don't feel like trying to dig any up right now). I further stress "consistency" here, because the fact that it currently doesn't follow under the patterns of other templates in a similar vein to what I was trying to do makes it feel really out of place compared to our other templates. With that being said, there's my counter-argument. If you could provide a more in-depth argument about why you don't like it when you get a chance, that would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 01:35, 21 November 2016 (EST)
:I've [[Template talk:FinalSmash|done so previously]] when a similar attempt at reorganization was made. I agree that the status quo version isn't the most elegant way, but I found your version to be even more unwieldy. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:45, 21 November 2016 (EST)
::Hmmm.....I suppose you do have some good points there. I'll continue tinkering with the idea in a sandbox or something and see if I can find a better way to have it in the future. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 01:49, 21 November 2016 (EST)
::I personally disagree that we should settle with the mess we have now. I'll continue trying to think up something, but I would like to state that I think that Flare's version is an improvement. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 01:51, 21 November 2016 (EST)
::I think DF's version of the template was a vast improvement over what we have now. If people have been complaining about the Final Smash template for a while, then maybe it needs to be changed. The problem is that it comes off as a big wall of text. DF's version addressed that issue and sorted them by debut game, which is much more useful imo. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 09:26, 21 November 2016 (EST)
:::Separating them out by game would be reasonable if it weren't for situations like Luigi, Kirby, etc. where they received a new FS. Splitting these across sections of the template seems like a very confusing and un-intuitive layout. As I said, though, I do recognize the issues with the current layout, and may try to put together some mockups soon to see if we can find a workable compromise. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 10:59, 21 November 2016 (EST)
== Big posters ==
Where did you get the big Cloud poster? The official website only gives me the small version. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]] [[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 00:31, 10 December 2016 (EST)
:Just click on the poster image itself [http://smashbros.com/us/characters/cloud.html here] and it brings you to [http://smashbros.com/us/images/character/cloud/illust-modal.jpg the larger version]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:06, 10 December 2016 (EST)
== I didn't make this but I feel it's notable ==
Hey Miles, someone (not me) made a page for [[Luminosity Gaming]]. As you may have known, the team has a significant presence in the Smash community (iirc, they have two [[Smasher:Abadango|AAA]] [[Smasher:Ice|smashers]] that are among the best within their [[Super Smash Bros. 4|respective]] [[Super Smash Bros. Melee|games]]. I guess this is one of the criteria for [[SW:NOTE]]. Sorry to bother you. --[[File:FXSig2.png]] [[User:Falcon-X|<span style="color:Red;text-shadow: 0px 0px 5px Red">'''Falcon-X'''</span>]] [[User talk:Falcon-X#top|<span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 5px Blue">'''('''''Freedom House''''')''' </span>]] 14:34, 23 January 2017 (EST)
:Yes, they seem to meet the notability requirements. Is there something you'd like from me on the subject? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:22, 23 January 2017 (EST)
::I don't think there is anything else needed that is SmashWiki related. There might be some stuff added when significant news shows up. --[[File:FXSig2.png]] [[User:Falcon-X|<span style="color:Red;text-shadow: 0px 0px 5px Red">'''Falcon-X'''</span>]] [[User talk:Falcon-X#top|<span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 5px Blue">'''('''''Freedom House''''')''' </span>]] 22:12, 23 January 2017 (EST)
==Wiki format==
Hey, CpnFlacon here. I wanted to ask you about your suggestion you made on my talk page recently about bringing back the old wiki projects format. Do you think this is something that would actually help the wiki, and if so how would we go about re-implementing it? [[User:CpnFlacon|CpnFlacon]] ([[User talk:CpnFlacon|talk]]) 13:58, 28 January 2017 (EST)
:Debatable. The main issue with the projects system was lack of participation. In any case, [[SW:MSP|such a project page already existed]], but the project was never finished. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:42, 28 January 2017 (EST)
::Wow. That was a long time ago. I see your point about lack of participation. Well, we're finally getting to it now. Once I finish this project, I'll be looking to start another similar project for Melee, except I'm going to make sure I organize the project better ahead of time so we're not figuring things out as we go along like we have been with this. [[User:CpnFlacon|CpnFlacon]] ([[User talk:CpnFlacon|talk]]) 21:57, 28 January 2017 (EST)
:::A commendable effort. These pages have been sitting around unfinished and filling up the Wanted Pages list for a long time now. Seeing them finished or near-finished is a major improvement. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:24, 28 January 2017 (EST)
== TL ==
Look, listing him like that just makes things more needlessly complicated. It's not like FS or WW were the first games to use cel shading, and it's also true that TL is not the same character in FS (as stated). As to why we feel the need to list FS as an origin game is beyond me. Should we list Mario as an origin appearance in the arcade DK, but uses the 3D graphics of M64? No, and it seems like this is about the same deal here. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 05:23, 30 January 2017 (EST)
:The problem is that "Toon Link" is inherently defined relative to the art-style, not the individual character. This is exemplified in Hyrule Warriors Legends where Toon Link is still mostly Wind Waker, but also incorporates elements from Spirit Tracks, which stars another "Toon Link" of the same art-style who is not the same person. SSB4's trophy game listing for him does the same thing. Since the concept of Toon Link definitely goes beyond just "Wind Waker Link" and extends to the other Links of the same art-style, it seems worthwhile to track both. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 05:46, 30 January 2017 (EST)
== Rename Request ==
I want to change my current username to "Ik0zael" since I've done so on other websites to distinguish from my new and old username.
[[User:Yin10Dou|Ik0zael]] ([[User talk:Yin10Dou|talk]]) 18:10, 7 March 2017 (EST)
:I believe the person you're looking for is [[User:Toomai|this guy]]. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:HotPink; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px skyblue">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:HotPink;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:DisasterFlareValentineSig.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:HotPink;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 18:32, 7 March 2017 (EST)
== [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Amiibo&diff=next&oldid=950669 this] ==
I am a bit confused by your logic here, considering that the images themselves cover the difference between the character...err forms I guess for lack of better word. We should use official names in light of this, no? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 18:21, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
:I just thought of what I think is a reasonable compromise; I'll have it implemented in a second. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:30, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
== IRC ==
Hey Miles, I know you have said in the past you didn't want to join the IRC, but since it is basically completely empty due to everyone moving to the Discord server, I wouldlike to talk for a moment with you. I promise to keep our conversation a secret to everyone because yes, I don't want anybody else to know about our conversation. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''Beep'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 14:35, 31 May 2017 (EDT)
:If it's about wiki business, I'd rather have it out in the open; if it's not about wiki business, I'm not particularly interested. Sorry about that. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:52, 31 May 2017 (EDT)
::Very well, then. Might as well point out your problems as an admin in public, right? No? Well, sorry, because I just started:
::#When it comes to managing a wiki, you're extremely fluctuating in terms of either doing something or not doing anything at all. In the case of the former (doing anything), I do recognize you've cleaned up a lot of issues with categories and templates, and often repair some mistakes you see. But when somebody else does it, you haven't even broke a sweat trying to help. In the case of the latter (doing nothing), you don't even try to think of a way to improve the wiki. Wikis are never perfect. The phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" because wikis are always in need of improvement. Plus many vandals come here and try to ruin the wiki. Often, I see vandals in need of blocking and no admin is there to help except you. We file a request in the notieboard so that the vandals get bloked. And what are you doing to help? Nothing. So we have to wait for another admin to come and fix the mess, while vandals keep destroying the wiki and you sit there without doing so.
::#If somebody ever suggests a way to improve the wiki, either via moving a page, offering a new guideline, or discussing about writing a new page/improving a page's writing, you either oppose it or are neutral about it 70% of the time. Okay, I do get sometimes a number of suggestions can seem pointless at first glance, but dig a little deeper and you can see the suggestions are made with good intentions. I know for a fact that back in the 2011-2014 area, when Serp, Flare and Nyargle were still not admins and Emmett, Hawk, Semicolon and Penguin were admins, not much was suggested (I know about it because I was an editing IP around that time) because the wiki wasn't brimming with as many users as it does today but, things have got to change. You cannot stick to the same period of time you were "on your prime", you need to adapt to the changes.
::#You don't socialize. This issue. '''This issue''' is arguably the biggest one you have, and the one that earns you several users that regard you as unreliable, to the point they resort to other admins for help and only ask you in case they reeeeeally need it. You say '''"I'm not in this wiki to make any friends, I'm here to administrate the wiki; I don't like to socialize"'''. But that's where you are wrong. Socializing in this wiki is not only one of the things that earns you new friends, but also the respect of other people that do not wish to consider you one. However, I don't see you complimenting somebody for the good edits they make, either. Serp, Flare, Nyargle, Toomai and even OT have friends along the wiki (especially the former two, which are currently the most active admins) and respect users that have proven they are valuable. They are on the chats talking to people and socializing, which earns them the interest of other users about what they like to do, allows them to manage a problem in the wiki more swiftly, and lets them know when they messed up something (and viceversa to other users), which they'll improve on. You don't get that attention and interest from other users in you because you never socialize, nor do you try to improve because nobody can tell you what did you screw up (and even if they tell you, you won't accept it). This issue is what keeps you from growing as an admin, since there are no users to contact you other than with talk pages, and keep in mind there are things that could be said in chat, but not in wiki talk pages. You can't have the trust of other people if you don't have their respect and/or friendship. That's virtually impossible.
::Overall, yeah, I think you're the lousiest admin in the wiki. In no way this is a personal attack to you, I'm just telling you that you've got a lot to improve on because other admins have done a better job than you could've done as an admin. Because while some of them might not be as "highly qualified wiki editors" as you are, they have points to their favor and ideas you don't. Somebody was bound to tell you all of this, and it was not going to be any other user because some of them are afraid that, if they tell you about this, you'll block them/attack them, something that is prohibited if it's a personal attack, which this isn't. I, of all users, decided to do so because from this day until I dunno when, I'll be grounded for a long time and won't be able to check either on the Discord server or even the wiki (so if you still block me, I won't be able to check on the wiki regardless). I hope that regarding the issues I mentioned, you improve as an admin, so that you get the respect from other people, including me. Until next time. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:Beep|<font color="Black">'''An inactive Beep, until next time'''</font>]] [[User talk:Beep|<font color="Black">'''(so it's no use to talk to me)'''</font>]] 12:25, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
:::#I don't have as much free time as I used to. I can't be online 24/7, but I do make an effort to check the wiki a few times a day. In terms of "vandals destroying the wiki", a) that's hyperbole, it's easily cleaned up, and b) that's why it's a team effort and why I'm not the only admin. We cover each others' absences that way.
:::#This is a case of confirmation bias, I think; a lot of recent topics have been things I disagree with (such as rampant redirect deletionism) but there have also been a few that I thoroughly support (see [[Talk:Ken Sugimori|here]] for one). I also should point this much out that in terms of adding/changing content pages: my main areas of interest in Smash frankly aren't getting new content right now. For example, I'm not particularly invested in competitive play, and while I do make an attempt to keep generally up-to-date as part of my job as admin, I'm unlikely to go creating pages for tournaments, Smashers, etc. simply because I don't feel knowledgeable enough to do so.
:::#I fail to see how this is a problem. As I mentioned in point #1, I'm not online all the time, so there are many instances of me seeing someone did a good job that I would thank them for only to see that one or more users have already done so, in which case I often skip adding my own redundant comment after-the-fact. I also don't actively use Discord in general (and didn't use IRC actively back in the day either), so if the criticism is that I'm not going far out of my way to stay online in a chatroom program I don't otherwise use, I think that's a bit unjustified. My talk page is here, and users are more than welcome to contact me about issues they'd like my input on. I take constructive criticism seriously.
:::I'm not some mean-spirited jerk, you know. I honestly think that a lot of people on this site have a deeply inaccurate picture of who I am and how I respond to things. There's several reasons for that, including the fact that I've been on this site since I was a short-sighted teenager who was a lot more careless with how I talked about things. In general, though, I would appreciate if people would simply work with me respectfully than avoid me based on preconceived notions. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:11, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I don't necessarily agree with the first and second points of Beep's argument. Me and Flare are on often enough to block whoever needs blocked, and inactivity isn't really a reason to be mad at someone. It's also totally ok to oppose something you disagree with (even if it's always my suggestions :|). I do however wish you'd join our discord server. Literally all other active admins are there, and I feel like a lot of the misconceptions and whatever you pointed out in your response could be more easily cleared up through discord. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 16:12, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::I'll consider it, but I can't make any promises. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:40, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::I suppose you have decided against joining us on Discord? A shame, really. I seriously think you could improve your admin abilities with a little extra socializing. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 23:43, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
== Famicom Grand Prix ==
Recently, you undid an edit of mine in which I added the Famicom Grand Prix games as a separate universe, as they are usually considered Mario games. However, its properties aren't referenced by the games themselves as being from Mario (e.g. the Monster trophy is in the "Other" category in Melee). My main reason for adding the universe was continuity with the other pages, but should I just leave it as is? [[User:TwentyPointPi|TwentyPointPi]] ([[User talk:TwentyPointPi|talk]]) 14:07, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:The trophy categorizations aren't 100%; note that the Viruses from Dr. Mario are also in the "Other" category in SSB4, and there's no doubt about that game's status as a Mario title. Combine that with the fact that the Famicom Grand Prix games included Mario/Luigi as their playable characters and the fact that the FGP II track used in Brawl/SSB4 is on a Mario Kart stage, and I think it's clear that it's generally considered a Mario title itself. The best analogue is probably Wrecking Crew, which we treated as a Mario property in Brawl until SSB4 gave it its own symbol for some reason, forcing it to be recognized as a separate sub-universe. Without that kind of change, I can't see a reason to identify FGP as its own series. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:26, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::Ah, I understand now. Thanks! [[User:TwentyPointPi|TwentyPointPi]] ([[User talk:TwentyPointPi|talk]]) 15:39, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
== About [[Music (SSBM)]] ==
You wrote [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Music_(SSBM)&diff=704967&oldid=700462 this]. What exactly is inaccurate about the credits? What tipped you off, I guess, is my question. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 01:08, 3 September 2017 (EDT)
:Brawl and SSB4, plus the Melee website, give us accurate composition/arrangement credits for all of the Melee tracks except a few; I used those credits in making [[List of composers]]. The Music (SSBM) page seemed to have incorrect information at the time I tagged it. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 03:10, 6 September 2017 (EDT)
==Hey uh==
How long is {{User|Dragonfirebreath25}}'s probation supposed to last? You didn't put him on the [[Smashwiki:Probation tracker|probation tracker]] after probating him, and I might have done it myself if I knew how long it was to go on for (Disaster Flare's comment "until your behavior improves" implies indefinite, but I wanted to make sure). <small>Also I'm not even sure if it matters since it seems he's on the border of being blocked big time :p</small> - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 13:39, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
:Indefinite for the time being. And I'd rather not have to block him; I don't like blocking good-faith editors even if their efforts are misguided. That said, I will if he doesn't improve. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:19, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
:We typically don't set an expiry unless we are given reason to believe that the user will change their wicked ways. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 17:57, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
== Where is this now? ==
I have a bone to pick with you. A few months back you deleted [[:File:RoyFireEmblemAwakening.jpg|this file]], but you obviously didn't check what pages linked to it, because I found a red link on [[Fire Emblem (universe)]]. There was another one on [[Roy (PM)]]. <s>So what is the file?</s> While I was writing this however, Flare found the file, but I still felt I had to let you know about this. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the Internets go! :3''']]</span> 19:23, 10 October 2017 (EDT)
:The problem is that files linked by <nowiki>[[:File:Whatever.jpg|text]]</nowiki> don't properly show on [[Special:Whatlinkshere]]. Both instances you found were linked that way. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:56, 10 October 2017 (EDT)
::I'm not sure what you mean by that, because I could see them on the special page just fine, which is how I found all instances of the red link in the first place. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 21:00, 10 October 2017 (EDT)
:::I had meant to bring this up before, but never got the chance to (since Flare beat me to the punch). That said, [[:File:RoyFileLinks.png|they did show up for me as well]]. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''the Spooky Rurouni'''</span>]] 21:14, 10 October 2017 (EDT)
::::I too saw everything in the Special page - which is how I found the Roy PM link. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the Internets go! :3''']]</span> 21:21, 10 October 2017 (EDT)
So it seems I was conflating two things in my mind and combining that error with out-of-date info. I think it's that when you go to delete an image, it used to pop up a message to the effect of "warning: this image is in use on X pages" if it was embedded anywhere (this message linked to the WhatLinksHere special page), but if it's only linked in text, it didn't pop up the warning. Apparently at some point this changed without my being aware of it, leading to the inaccurate assumption that, since it wasn't flagging any embedded usages, it was safe to delete. My apologies for the confusion and for not checking thoroughly before deleting it. (I would've just overwritten the image, but I was replacing a jpg with a png and couldn't upload over it while keeping the filename.) [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:22, 10 October 2017 (EDT)
== ''Super Mario Odyssey'' ==
''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario Odyssey}}'' is here in Australia. I already changed their appearances with their current appearance in ''Odyssey'' for the Switch. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 09:31, 26 October 2017 (EDT)
== Question about Prima move names ==
Was there some discussion about not using those at some point? If not there probably will be: Toomai and I are in agreement that there should be some consensus there. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 20:25, 4 November 2017 (EDT)
:I don't recall whether a formal discussion was ever held on the subject. The closest I could find was the back-and-forth in the page history on [[SW:OFFICIAL]]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:18, 4 November 2017 (EDT)
==''Sonic Forces''==
Sonic Forces is out in Europe so, I updated their appearances with the current one! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:15, 6 November 2017 (EST)
== Sorry to pester you again, but... ==
About Golden Sun on the "Pages to Improve" headline...there's nothing wrong I see with it at all. Maybe a little short, but the franchise is so small and has such a small impact on the Smash franchise that it doesn't matter. Why is it there? <span style="color:Green;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">'''--'''</span>[[User:Penro|<span style="color:Red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px red">'''Pen'''</span>]][[User talk:Penro|<span style="color:Black; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px black">'''ro'''</span>]] 22:44, 11 November 2017 (EST)
:I guess I figured that it needed a series description section analogous to the ones for "primary" universes, even if it didn't go quite as in-depth as those. It was supposed to be the first in line of the Assist Trophy universes to get tagged for that, but nobody ever did it so I never got around to replacing it with other AT universes afterwards. I would write it myself, but it's not a series I've played or researched personally. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:59, 12 November 2017 (EST)
== Your note about redirect deletion ==
"for future reference, please always tag redirects for deletion >above< the redirect code, to simplify accessing them for the admin doing the deletion"
...Except that when you do that, it breaks the redirect. I needed to let you know about that.
On a side note, something else I need to let you know about is your talk page being way overdue for an archive. It's currently at 104 MB, but you're supposed to be archiving it when it reaches 32. Can you please take care of that when you can? [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the Internets go! :3''']]</span> 19:00, 3 December 2017 (EST)
:That's the point. If a redirect is obviously in need of deletion, it is a nice convenience to deliberately break it, so that clicking on it from the "for deletion" category doesn't redirect me away from the page to be deleted. And if it's tagged for deletion, it shouldn't be linked from anywhere and therefore the fact that it's broken is of no consequence to normal usage. (And yes, I need to archive.) [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:22, 3 December 2017 (EST)
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