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==Requirements for unlocking Young Link== | ==Requirements for unlocking Young Link== | ||
I recently borrowed Melee and i first thought of doing Classic mode with everyone, i decided to do it in order starting from Mario and ending with Link, i unlocked Young Link after completing Classic mode with the Ice Climbers so i never reached Link when Young Link was unlocked. Is the article wrong or is it a PAL difference?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy. | I recently borrowed Melee and i first thought of doing Classic mode with everyone, i decided to do it in order starting from Mario and ending with Link, i unlocked Young Link after completing Classic mode with the Ice Climbers so i never reached Link when Young Link was unlocked. Is the article wrong or is it a PAL difference?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 08:02, 17 July 2011 (EDT) | ||
:This is late, but this happened to me too. I'm think you just have to beat Classic Mode with 10 different characters, but I'm not certain. [[User:Takava|Takava]] ([[User talk:Takava|talk]]) 22:22, 19 February 2012 (EST) | :This is late, but this happened to me too. I'm think you just have to beat Classic Mode with 10 different characters, but I'm not certain. [[User:Takava|Takava]] ([[User talk:Takava|talk]]) 22:22, 19 February 2012 (EST) | ||
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:::…not to be rude or anything, but you uploaded the images to the wrong wiki. Smashpedia is a different site from us, so the images are going to have to be uploaded again to ''this'' wiki. But thanks for the images, anyways. <font face="AmericanTypewriter">[[User: Rtzxy|<span style="color:darkorange;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:blue;">Smashing!</span>]]</font> 21:28, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | :::…not to be rude or anything, but you uploaded the images to the wrong wiki. Smashpedia is a different site from us, so the images are going to have to be uploaded again to ''this'' wiki. But thanks for the images, anyways. <font face="AmericanTypewriter">[[User: Rtzxy|<span style="color:darkorange;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:blue;">Smashing!</span>]]</font> 21:28, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
==WIll more characters be unlocked from the start in WiiU version== | |||
From what I understand, more characters will be unlocked from the start in the WiiU version. Is that correct? Do we know which characters will be starters in the WiiU version yet? | From what I understand, more characters will be unlocked from the start in the WiiU version. Is that correct? Do we know which characters will be starters in the WiiU version yet? [[User:Gpev96|Gpev96 (SHAZAM!)]] ([[User talk:Gpev96|talk]]) 11:09, 31 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
:The starters are all seen in the direct. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 11:11, 31 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== SSBWiiU Challenger Approaching == | |||
Well, now that we know that Jigglypuff is a starter in the Wii U version, we need another unlockable character to use for this version. We already have both [[Falco (SSB4)|Falco]] and [[Lucina (SSB4)|Lucina]] from the Direct that we could use, but I think this needs more community input before we can proceed. [[User:SmashBrosFan|SmashBrosFan]] ([[User talk:SmashBrosFan|talk]]) 12:25, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I can't believe they made her a starter ._. It was so easy having someone who's unlockable in every game... I'd say just use one of the ones we have now, then replace it later <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 12:44, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
Take its place where? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Orchestral 12:47, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
:[[Unlockable_character#.22Challenger_Approaching.21.22_screen|Here]]. [[User:SmashBrosFan|SmashBrosFan]] ([[User talk:SmashBrosFan|talk]]) 13:39, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
::You mean the four images on the side? If so, I don't see the point in changing it unless we go with them each being a different character, because no matter what we do there's no character that we can use for all five such images. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Multifaceted 13:41, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::have i mentioned that i really hate that they made her a starter. I suggest putting Captain Falcon/Ness for SSB64, Mewtwo for Melee, Ganondorf for Brawl, and Falco for SSB4. I dunno why, but I think it works. <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 13:42, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::Woops. I think I meant "what character would we use for the Challenger Approaching screen in the Wii U version?" [[User:SmashBrosFan|SmashBrosFan]] ([[User talk:SmashBrosFan|talk]]) 13:45, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::That's the thing: we either have to replace them all, or keep it as is, for consistency reasons. I wouldn't mind just having four images, the last one for both 3DS & Wii U versions (I know Jigglypuff is a starter in the Wii U version, but the Challenger Approching screen is the same for both versions, so a note telling that It's the same for both versions and that Jigglypuff is unlockable in only one version). <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 13:49, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::::Uh... no, they aren't the same. Straight from Nintendo at 50 seconds into the video. <ref>http://youtu.be/j0BBGzfw0pQ</ref> [[User:SmashBrosFan|SmashBrosFan]] ([[User talk:SmashBrosFan|talk]]) 17:30, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
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He's right, they are WAY different. <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 17:32, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Well, looks like I was wrong. Now what? <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 17:33, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
:What if we do it, like, the first Newcomer Unlockable from each game? (i.e. Jigglypuff, Dr.Mario, Lucario, Dark Pit, and Lucina, respectively) That'd still keep at least some kind of pattern. Or we could use Falco, with C. Falcon for 64, some kind of bird pattern. But I'm leaning towards the first one. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 17:37, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
We can just use Jigglypuff for SSB64 through SSB3DS and somebody else for SSBU. There's no single character that's unlockable in all of them anymore and any other pattern won't be particularly intuitive. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:38, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I agree with Miles. Do something like that and be done with it. <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 17:40, 1 November 2014 (EDT) | |||
:How about we use something like Jigglypuff for Smash 64, Mr. Game & Watch for Melee, R.O.B. for Brawl, Bowser Jr. for Smash 3DS & Duck Hunt Dog for Smash Wii U? They are all characters first introduced in each of those games and they were also unlockable in those. I realize that there are other characters that could be used too. These are just ideas. By the way, the trivia section states that Captain Falcon, Marth, Lucario, Luigi, Sonic, Ness, Wario, Toon Link & Jigglypuff are the only ones to be both starters & unlockables in separate iterations. Shouldn't Bowser Jr. & Ganondorf be added to that? [[User:Master Zach|Master Zach]] ([[User talk:Master Zach|talk]]) 14:10, 2 November 2014 (EST) | |||
Who keeps signing with you or Nutta signature. I know that's off topic but it's a bit too frequent and I'm finding it annoying. [[User:Gpev96|Gpev96 (SHAZAM!)]] ([[User talk:Gpev96|talk]]) 15:03, 4 November 2014 (EST) | |||
:Aren't you paying attention? You are! (or nutta) <small>''---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 15:05, 4 November 2014 (EST) | |||
Also I agree with Master Zach's idea. And yes Ganondorf and Bowser Jr. Should be added to that list. [[User:Gpev96|Gpev96 (SHAZAM!)]] ([[User talk:Gpev96|talk]]) 15:04, 4 November 2014 (EST) | |||
== Game & Watch Wii U == | |||
I've beaten it with six characters and all I got was punishment for not coming to bed on time (-.-). What version do you play, Toomai? <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small> 15:16, 24 November 2014 (EST) | |||
:There's no way that unlock criteria is a regional difference, so let's start asking about what could be different. Did you use a continue with any of those characters? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Sharp 15:19, 24 November 2014 (EST) | |||
::Yes, with Bowser Jr. That could be it, I guess. I'll check. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small> 15:20, 24 November 2014 (EST) | |||
:::Beat it with both Captain Falcon and Bowser Jr. with no continues, as well as Duck Hunt, Toon Link, Rosalina & Luma, and Dr. Mario. So... I don't know. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small> 16:27, 24 November 2014 (EST) | |||
::::I've now beat it with Captain Falcon, Bowser Jr., Duck Hunt, Toon Link, Rosalina & Luma, Dr. Mario, ROB, and Olimar, no continues, and unlocked him. BUT, by doing so, it gave me a challenge box for beating it with 5 characters on intensity 2.0 or higher. Above intensity 2.0 I have beaten Captain Falcon, Bowser Jr., ROB, Olimar, and Toon Link. I bet that, besides whatever I got from the challenge box, that's also Mr. Game & Watch's unlock criteria. Could someone who doesn't have him test this? <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small> 17:56, 24 November 2014 (EST) | |||
:::::That makes sense to me. The easiest way to test it (for someone who can) would probably be this: Beat Classic on 2.0 with 4 characters, then less than 2.0 with one, and then on 2.0 with the same fifth one. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Multifaceted 18:13, 24 November 2014 (EST) | |||
== Stubbornly incomplete data == | |||
How is it that every time I've updated info about unlocking Doctor Mario via Classic is NOT just using Mario it gets erased? Is this community really that unable to believe that there is more than just the assumed method? I did unlock Dr. Mario with Game & Watch in Classic mode, and yet it gets removed. What's up with that? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Jarie Suicune|Jarie Suicune]] ([[User talk:Jarie Suicune|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jarie Suicune|contribs]]) 12:07, 2 December 2014 (EST)</small> | |||
:Because I tested it myself, check the history of the page and look for my edit. What happened is you unlocked another character of a higher priority than Dr. Mario (i.e. Duck Hunt, Bowser Jr., Jigglypuff, R.O.B., Ganondorf or Mr. Game & Watch) when you met the unlock condition for Dr. Mario, thusly when you played classic with G&W you unlocked him. And unless you can give me video proof that you have not done Classic with Mario, nor done 60 matches I cannot add back your edits, I can't take your word for it without facts, sorry. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 13:06, 2 December 2014 (EST) | |||
:: Interesting. Here's how I did it: I used every character in reverse order, then any character I unlocked got used (out of order, obviously). So, Mario was the very last to do Classic Mode. I also had done a total of zero VS matches (no one to do them with), though had already done all the other modes, doing Classic before All-Star after the rest. I unlocked Dr. Mario with G&W. It may be that some/all have a third unlock option, but no one has tried testing for them. I don't know why. I just know how I did it, and that I was quite shocked to get him from G&W as I'd assumed that it would have been via Mario as well. You're welcome to try a test of what I actually did, since that may be the thing. (forgot to sign before, sorry) [[User:Jarie Suicune|Jarie Suicune]] ([[User talk:Jarie Suicune|talk]]) 16:24, 2 December 2014 (EST) | |||
== Slight consistency on the examples == | |||
I'd like to propose something that will make for slight consistency on the example "challenger approaching" screens that appear in that section. Since there isn't any one character who's unlockable in every game, I vote that we do something that's semi-consistent with different characters for each game. The only thing I could come up with though, is newcomers from each game. So say, Jiggly for Smash 64, Game & Watch for Melee, ROB for Brawl, Bowser Jr. for the 3DS version, and Duck Hunt for the Wii U version. I also went with non-clone, but clones are for some reason more recognizable for Melee and the 3DS version, so we might want to go with Falco and Lucina. Idk though. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small> 16:10, 28 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Brawl Alternate Unlocking Method? == | |||
So I was reading TVTropes today when I noticed a peculiar example claiming that in ''Brawl'', if you fought a character that you haven't unlocked yet in an online match, that character is instantly unlocked after the match. I never knew this was possible, and when I checked this page, there was no info about it I could find. Can anyone verify if this unlock method is true or not? I'm kinda having my doubts about this method being legitimate, and it's pretty much untestable since they shut down Nintendo WFC. --[[User:Vinc420|Vinc]] ([[User talk:Vinc420|talk]]) 22:05, 29 March 2018 (EDT) | |||
:I'm going to doubt that, using Smash 4 as evidence: I played against Serpent King with Duck Hunt (among other characters), and no such thing happened to him; I also used a handful of DLC characters against him with no errors. I know you said Brawl, but the thing about unlockable content (in any game) is that the content is there in the data, be it digitally or on the disc, and it's just hidden from the player in terms of accessibility. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Springing Rurouni'''</span>]] 10:44, 30 March 2018 (EDT) | |||
:I recall watching someone play against a Lucario when they didn't have it unlocked, and they did not get Lucario afterward, so I am going to say no. Then again, this was a friend match, and the method in question seems to be referring to anonymous matches, so.... - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 11:30, 30 March 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Nothing actually confirmed for SSBU? == | |||
From what I can remember, Sakurai never explicitly stated that the starting roster will consist of the Original 12. He teased that it ''could'' be the case that you'd only start with the original 8 characters. I don't think this wiki should take it as a fact that the original 12 are our starter characters and everyone else is unlockable. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 21:13, 14 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:Agreed, since at a bare minimum Sakurai's phrasing could be interpreted as the original 8 being the starters or the original 12. That enough is room for ambiguity. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:24, 14 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:: Or even emphasis on the word ''could''. Absolutely nothing is confirmed at this point, and Sakurai teases his fans a lot. I think we should wait until official confirmation or release to state which characters are starters/unlockables (as an aside, if most of the roster is unlockable as this wiki believed then we're very likely to get an overhauled unlock system). --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 21:25, 14 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Trivia section == | |||
There should be something in the Trivia section that reads "Super Smash Bros. 64 is the only Smash Bros game that does not involve unlocking characters through vs matches." | |||
[[User:JigglypuffLover17|JigglypuffLover17]] ([[User talk:JigglypuffLover17|talk]]) 00:07, 23 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:We can't actually add that yet, because we do not currently know how characters are unlocked in ''Ultimate''. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 00:23, 23 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
::So? There's most likely going to be vs match methods for the characters once the game releases, so the trivia should be added. [[Special:Contributions/24.214.241.142|24.214.241.142]] 01:21, 23 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Grammar errors in page == | |||
There are some grammar errors in the article, mainly the Trivia Section. I can’t fix any grammar errors because I don’t have access. Can anyone do a favor and fix the grammar errors? I will be pleased if you do. | |||
[[User: RosalinaRosin|RosalinaRosin]] ([[User talk:RosalinaRosin|talk]]) 8:24, 26 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:Can you please specify where the errors are? I just went over the trivia section and couldn't find anything wrong with it. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 10:18, 26 June 2018 (EDT) | |||