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:Splitting the main mechanic page into subtypes would not be necessary if we instead split the main source of the bloat (the lists). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Awesome 08:57, January 4, 2020 (EST) | :Splitting the main mechanic page into subtypes would not be necessary if we instead split the main source of the bloat (the lists). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Awesome 08:57, January 4, 2020 (EST) | ||
::I know, I made this as a draft so the information is easier to put into categories. I'm moving house in 2 days so I don't have as much time as I'd like to make drafts of categories. Of courses, if you want to edit all that in, I'm A-OK with it. - [[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]] 09:30, January 4, 2020 (EST) | ::I know, I made this as a draft so the information is easier to put into categories. I'm moving house in 2 days so I don't have as much time as I'd like to make drafts of categories. Of courses, if you want to edit all that in, I'm A-OK with it. - [[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]] 09:30, January 4, 2020 (EST) | ||
:::Been a while but I followed through and got [[ | :::Been a while but I followed through and got [[List_of_armoured_attacks_(SSBU)|the first list page]] sorted. Sorry for the wait. --[[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]] 23:46, February 5, 2020 (EST) | ||
::::Got S4 data sorted [[ | ::::Got S4 data sorted [[List_of_armoured_attacks_(SSB4)|here]]. Brawl is luckily logged on this page so I'll likely pull it from there. --[[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]] 10:56, February 10, 2020 (EST) | ||
:::::[[ | :::::[[List_of_armoured_attacks_(SSBB)|Brawl list is done now as well.]] That's everything I believe. --[[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]] 12:50, February 10, 2020 (EST) | ||
Just want to bump the discussion a bit. Any thoughts on my pages? --[[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]] 19:02, February 21, 2020 (EST) | Just want to bump the discussion a bit. Any thoughts on my pages? --[[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]] 19:02, February 21, 2020 (EST) | ||
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:::Just did it for my first time. It is <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[target]]</nowiki>. Just go to an 'invalid' page, create, and put that in there.--[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 23:36, February 29, 2020 (EST) | :::Just did it for my first time. It is <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[target]]</nowiki>. Just go to an 'invalid' page, create, and put that in there.--[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 23:36, February 29, 2020 (EST) | ||
::::Sorted. That should be everything! --[[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]] 23:46, February 29, 2020 (EST) | ::::Sorted. That should be everything! --[[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:King K. Rool SSBU.png|20px]] 23:46, February 29, 2020 (EST) | ||
==Rename "Knockback-based Armor" to "Heavy Armor"?== | |||
In many external sources and even some Youtube videos, I have heard people refer to Knockback-based Armor as "Heavy Armor".I think that it would be better to call it Heavy Armor on the wiki. Not only is it more widely used, but it's much quicker to write and say. That's just my opinion, though.[[User:Thecontributor22|Thecontributor22]] ([[User talk:Thecontributor22|talk]]) 18:46, August 30, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:So when I was doing the rewrite for the page, there were issues with using the Heavy Armor umbrella of terminology. I wound up having conversations with a few contributors about it in the end, and wound up using these terms. Kurogane Hammer coined them, uses them on his frame data sheets, and I feel it's far more effective. Few people actually know what "Heavy Armor" is supposed to mean. The meaning of it is extremely blurred and is often applied to Damage-based Armor as well. People also tend to use "Light Armor" for smaller values. It's obnoxious. This has led to armor becoming one of the most misunderstood mechanics in the game when there are much simpler, defined terms to use. It's also much easier to abbreviate, with KB Armor and % Armor being common notation, at least in my circles. [[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]] 19:02, August 30, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::I agree with Plague here. Heavy armor tends to be too vague a term as not only is it commonly confused with super armor by beginners (who are more likely to refer to this part of the wiki), but it doesn’t properly identify the grounds by which the armor can be interrupted. The terms we currently use are definitely the best ones, cemented further by similarly agreed-upon terminology in other games.[[User:Rc52|Rc52]] ([[User talk:Rc52|talk]]) 19:18, August 30, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::I support Plague's argument as the terminology is already confusing/unintuitive for newer players because of armor definitions varying amongst veterans of the series. Having the Heavy/Light Armor excaberates the issue of having no solid definition. [[User:Lekis|Lekis]] ([[User talk:Lekis|talk]]) 19:25, August 30, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::I think Plague's wording just makes more sense. It explains the mechanics easily without being confusing. No reason to muddle it up again. [[Special:Contributions/50.89.179.76|50.89.179.76]] 19:59, August 30, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::I want to echo what everyone has said here. The lack of specification that 'Heavy Armor' has has proven to be difficult for new players to understand when met with both of the armors that fall into this category. By splitting them like this into KB-based and %-based, it becomes a lot more easier to understand. [[User:EyeDonutz|EyeDonutz]] ([[User talk:EyeDonutz|talk]]) 20:22, August 30, 2020 (EDT) | |||