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+{{proposal|y|We'll be using the Japanese translations.}}
 For too long, we have gone without a standard for what's considered an accepted source (outside of direct mentions by the Smash series) for naming characters' moves. That's about to change here. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 23:38, 22 January 2018 (EST)
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 '''Support'''. At least it is associated with Nintendo of America. That's something unlike the below option. [[User:MHStarCraft|'''<font color="skyblue">MH</font>''']][[User talk:MHStarCraft|'''<font color="blue">StarCraft</font>''']] [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] 12:32, 23 January 2018 (EST)
+'''Support''', seeing as how it's technically a closer match to the official localizations of the games (being a Nintendo property) than... some others. [[User:BaconMastre|<span style="color: Crimson;">'''Bacon'''</span>]][[User talk:BaconMaster|<span style="color: Maroon;">'''Mastre'''</span>]][[File:BaconMasterSig.png|16px|link=]] 17:40, 3 March 2018 (EST)
 ==Prima==
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 '''Complete and utter oppose.''' Prima guides have never been that reliable at giving out information to begin with. I'm completely siding with Miles on this one. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:Beep|<font color="Black">'''Beep'''</font>]] [[User talk:Beep|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 23:54, 22 January 2018 (EST)
-'''Oppose''' per others. {{unsigned|Nyargleblargle|07:06, January 23, 2018}}
+'''Oppose''' per others. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Nyargleblargle|Nyargleblargle]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|contribs]]) 07:06, January 23, 2018</small>
 '''No.''' [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 10:15, 23 January 2018 (EST)
 '''Lol oppose'''. Prima has been know for their errors and bias in strategy guides. [[User:MHStarCraft|'''<font color="skyblue">MH</font>''']][[User talk:MHStarCraft|'''<font color="blue">StarCraft</font>''']] [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] 12:32, 23 January 2018 (EST)
+'''Obvious opposition''' because Prima is notorious for... y'know. Being generally false and unreliable. [[User:BaconMastre|<span style="color: Crimson;">'''Bacon'''</span>]][[User talk:BaconMaster|<span style="color: Maroon;">'''Mastre'''</span>]][[File:BaconMasterSig.png|16px|link=]] 17:40, 3 March 2018 (EST)
+'''Oppose''' for the reasons stated above. [[User:Spexx|Spexx]] ([[User talk:Spexx|talk]]) 19:55, 14 March 2018 (EDT)
 ==Comparable moves from each characters' source games==
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 '''Support'''. [[User:MHStarCraft|'''<font color="skyblue">MH</font>''']][[User talk:MHStarCraft|'''<font color="blue">StarCraft</font>''']] [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] 12:32, 23 January 2018 (EST)
+'''Support'''. A number of characters have moves based directly upon other games' moves (see something like [[Mega Man (SSB4)/Up tilt|this]], which is a very clear use of the [http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Mega_Upper Mega Upper] seen in other fighting games), so it would make sense to do this as long as it isn't too much of a stretch. To be fair, the aforementioned reference is a known one, but there are likely others with names that can properly be attributed. [[User:BaconMastre|<span style="color: Crimson;">'''Bacon'''</span>]][[User talk:BaconMaster|<span style="color: Maroon;">'''Mastre'''</span>]][[File:BaconMasterSig.png|16px|link=]] 17:40, 3 March 2018 (EST)
+'''Oppose''' - We should aim to be as accurate as possible. If the move is never explicitly stated to be the same (such as Ryu's moves), we should't assume. What if it turns out that it actually wasn't the same move? [[User:Spexx|Spexx]] ([[User talk:Spexx|talk]]) 19:55, 14 March 2018 (EDT)
 ==Whatever matches the Japanese names, regardless of source==
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 This is wholly unclear and needs at least one example, preferably more. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:29, 24 January 2018 (EST)
+:It's mostly a transitive process. First, find sources that list English names for SSB64 moves and check them against the known Japanese move names to determine which sources have official names for the Original 12. Assume that the same sources will have official names for the other characters in the other games, using specific known cases to check (e.g. "Justice Sword") and potentially disqualify from future games. If we find a Japanese source, they match what we have, and we can't find any English source for that character, we do minimal translation. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Boss 06:39, 25 January 2018 (EST)
+::Where do we get the Japanese names? Why are those considered official? [[User:SeraphStar|SeraphStar]] ([[User talk:SeraphStar|talk]]) 15:37, 25 January 2018 (EST)
+That deserves a '''support''' for this one! Fire Breath is Koopa Breath or Bowser Breath in Japanese. Some moves are identical to the Japanese version but with different spelling. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 09:50, 25 January 2018 (EST)
+'''Support only if''' the name comes from a reliable source that has ''some'' loose connection to another (Nintendo-based) source. Reliability should always be first and foremost in my opinion so it would be better to leave some moves nameless if it's impossible to find names for them and to add names to moves if there is enough consistency across several mediums. [[User:Nergal06|Nergal06]] ([[User talk:Nergal06|talk]]) 15:56, 25 January 2018 (EST)
+:The official SSB site good enough? <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 16:04, 25 January 2018 (EST)
+What's happening with this whole thing? And I'm still not sure about this particular method because I still don't understand where we get the Japanese names from and what makes those official. [[User:SeraphStar|SeraphStar]] ([[User talk:SeraphStar|talk]]) 22:49, 2 February 2018 (EST)
+'''Support''' because it makes logical sense to do so for the aforementioned reasons. [[User:BaconMastre|<span style="color: Crimson;">'''Bacon'''</span>]][[User talk:BaconMaster|<span style="color: Maroon;">'''Mastre'''</span>]][[File:BaconMasterSig.png|16px|link=]] 17:40, 3 March 2018 (EST)
+By "Japanese name," do we mean official Nintendo sources, such as early Smash websites and Sakurai's own words, some of which have yet to be translated? If so, this suggestion has my support. The other choices range from opening a huge can of worms to downright disastrous, so this is probably the only good option anyway. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 20:16, 14 March 2018 (EDT)