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== Regarding Charizard's "Aerodactyl" color == | == Regarding Charizard's "Aerodactyl" color == | ||
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== Lucas's Blue == | == Lucas's Blue == | ||
This is a reference to Kumatora, a female party member of Mother 3. The shorts color matches her boot color and the shirt color matches her jacket. Lucas's hair is darker, and looks more like Kumatora's hair. Here's a picture of her: [http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/earthbound/images/9/9a/Kumatora_Clay.png/revision/latest?cb=20110221004857] | This is a reference to Kumatora, a female party member of Mother 3. The shorts color matches her boot color and the shirt color matches her jacket. Lucas's hair is darker, and looks more like Kumatora's hair. Here's a picture of her: [http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/earthbound/images/9/9a/Kumatora_Clay.png/revision/latest?cb=20110221004857] <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Kruegerm16|Kruegerm16]] ([[User talk:Kruegerm16|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kruegerm16|contribs]]) 18:09 (EST) 5 June 2015</small> | ||
:Remember to sign your comments with four ~s. Anyway, I disagree. If it was based on her, the hair color would be a bit more pink. Thank you for bringing it to the talk page, though! [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 18:16, 5 June 2015 (EDT) | :Remember to sign your comments with four ~s. Anyway, I disagree. If it was based on her, the hair color would be a bit more pink. Thank you for bringing it to the talk page, though! [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 18:16, 5 June 2015 (EDT) | ||
:First off, that's fanart. Second, the costume would need to have a more straightforward blue to match her outfit and would probably have pink hair, since the Duster, Claus, and Masked Man costumes all change his hair color. I think saying there's any reference to Kumatora in any of Lucas's costumes is a stretch. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:32, 5 June 2015 (EDT) | :First off, that's fanart. Second, the costume would need to have a more straightforward blue to match her outfit and would probably have pink hair, since the Duster, Claus, and Masked Man costumes all change his hair color. I think saying there's any reference to Kumatora in any of Lucas's costumes is a stretch. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:32, 5 June 2015 (EDT) | ||
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This costume (the Blue one, just to make sure the 7th isn't a different one.) seems to resemble Luigi's appearance in "[http://www.mariowiki.com/File:Anime_StarFalling.jpg Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!]" more than the costume in Dark Moon, as the arms are a different color than Default and the L is yellow. Also everyone I've seen talk about it other than this Wiki tell me it's based on that. Is this noteworthy? [[User:TeddyBearYoshi|TeddyBearYoshi]] ([[User talk:TeddyBearYoshi|talk]]) 12:15, 24 October 2015 (EDT) | This costume (the Blue one, just to make sure the 7th isn't a different one.) seems to resemble Luigi's appearance in "[http://www.mariowiki.com/File:Anime_StarFalling.jpg Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!]" more than the costume in Dark Moon, as the arms are a different color than Default and the L is yellow. Also everyone I've seen talk about it other than this Wiki tell me it's based on that. Is this noteworthy? [[User:TeddyBearYoshi|TeddyBearYoshi]] ([[User talk:TeddyBearYoshi|talk]]) 12:15, 24 October 2015 (EDT) | ||
No, because it resembles the [https://i1.ytimg.com/sh/kAZg0s2cCJY/showposter.jpg?v=5137cc53| green/blue multiplayer alternate costume in Dark Moon]. [[User talk:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''(Aardvarkian's Talk Page • '''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''My Contribs)'''''</span>]] 15:39, 24 October 2015 (EDT) | No, because aside from the "L" on the cap being green instead of blue, it resembles the [https://i1.ytimg.com/sh/kAZg0s2cCJY/showposter.jpg?v=5137cc53| green/blue multiplayer alternate costume in Dark Moon]. The shirts are the same shade of green, and the overalls and cap are the same shade of blue. The shades of blue and the yellow shirt color greatly differentiates the one you are talking about from the one in Dark Moon. [[User talk:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''(Aardvarkian's Talk Page • '''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''My Contribs)'''''</span>]] 15:39, 24 October 2015 (EDT) | ||
== Rosalina / Peach == | |||
Ok, so I think Rosalina's pink, yellow, green, and purple alternate costumes are simply just pink, yellow, green, and purple alternate costumes. I can see how they're similar to the colors of the Hungry Lumas, Yellow Lumas, Trial Lumas, and Lubba, respectively, but they don't have any characteristics that particularly indicate that they are based on them. Also, Peach's black and yellow costume does not seem to be based on anything either. The reference cited in its notes doesn't seem to suffice, as it is all black, not to mention that the comic is obscure. I'm not saying there's no possibility they are based on them, and I'm not saying that there is no resemblace in terms of color schemes, but I am saying that, on this wiki, stating that there's any sort of relation or resemblance between those costumes and their respective possible "references" or "resemblances" in those notes is as silly as stating that Pit's purple alternate costume resembles the color scheme of the Eggplant Wizard or that the red, yellow, and blue Dr. Mario alternate costumes are based off of the Red, Yellow, and Blue Viruses. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 13:01, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:#Rosalina's pink is the same shade as Peach's dress. You can't deny that. | |||
:#"Based off" ≠ "resembles the coloring of". | |||
:[[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 13:48, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::#Didn't say anything about the pink one having the same shade as Peach's dress. It's true, so that's why I didn't need to mention it here. | |||
::#Clearly you didn't read what I said thoroughly. I didn't say that "Based off" = "resembling the color of." I'm just saying that why should we draw a comparison with her costumes to basic colors bore by a Lumas? We could say that that the yellow resembles the color of a Star, or the green resembles the color of a star bit, and in this case it's saying it resembles the color of a particular Luma. But maybe, just maybe, none of that should be there, and instead be left as pink (with Peach dress color mention), yellow, green, and purple alternate costumes. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 14:26, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::I didn't mean the Lumas. I meant that you're saying "Peach's B/Y alt isn't based on anything", and I'm asking does it have to be? It can resemble something, but that [[Alternate costume (SSB4)#Duck Hunt|doesn't mean it's based off of it]]. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 14:30, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
[[File:Greenalina.png|thumb|150px|right]] | |||
::::Well technically Peach's B/Y alt ''is'' based on something: it's the outfit she wore as Dr. Wily's assistant in a German Club Nintendo comic,Super Mario: Verloren in der Zeit. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 10:00, 15 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::::Hmmm. You don't know that without any shred of uncertainty. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px orange">'''Smashedpotatoes'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:cerulean;text-shadow: 1px 1px 3px cyan">'''(Talk)'''</span>]] 13:36, 15 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::Ok. Well of course it doesn't, it can surely resemble something. I think it's a weak argument for the BY as far as resemblance is concerned because the one in the comic is just black, and this one is black with yellow. As a sort of inverse example, it'd be like saying that a totally black costume resembles Polari's colors; that'd only work if the black costume had blue embellishments. It's more distinctive in that sense. Kinda see what I mean? '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 14:34, 28 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
Ignore me, just adding relevant pic after discussion so it doesn't show in unused images. [[User:DekZek|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Dek'''</font><font color="Blue">'''Zek'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 12:17, 10 November 2015 (EST) | |||
== Greenalina == | |||
[[:File:Greenalina.png|Looks bluer to me.]] <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:DatNuttyKid|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small> 22:20, 30 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Palutena's 7th Palette == | |||
By the looks of it, the palette seems to resemble Dark Pit, not only because of the black dress, but the silver staff which is reminiscent of Dark Pit's Silver Bow. Also, it's the only palette where Palutena's gear is silver instead of gold. [[User:Yoshi725|Yoshi725]] ([[User talk:Yoshi725|talk]]) 11:02, 2 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:I can see that. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 11:08, 2 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:I see it too. [[User:Papayazzi|Papayazzi]] ([[User talk:Papayazzi|talk]]) 12:15, 2 November 2015 (EST) | |||
== Dark Pit's Red Palette == | |||
It could just be me, but the color scheme does have a bit of a resemblance to Viridi. Not just because of the red outfit, but looking closer reveals that, around the bottom of his toga, the pattern there turns a different hue of purple to resemble Viridi's purple on her outfit. | |||
Probably just you. None of that's not enough to have any resemblance... '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 06:02, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
== Mii Swordfighter Costume sword Resemblances == | |||
Doesn't the [[Swordfighter]]'s Neon Suit's sword resemble the [[Beam Sword]] in [[Melee]]? And maybe the Cybernetic Suit's sword resembles the [[Brawl]] version of the [[Beam Sword]]? | |||
[[User:Yin10Dou|Yin10Dou]] ([[User talk:Yin10Dou|talk]]) 12:08, 17 November 2015 (EST)Yin10Dou | |||
:Bring that up [[List of swords|here]]. 12:10, 17 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:Already done. [[User:Papayazzi|Papayazzi]] ([[User talk:Papayazzi|talk]]) 12:13, 17 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:Neon Suit sword doesn't resemble Melee's though. The one in Melee is purple, this is reddish near the hilt and blue all over. [[User:Papayazzi|Papayazzi]] ([[User talk:Papayazzi|talk]]) 12:17, 17 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:Nvm I was being dumb, fixed it. Cybernetic doesn't resembles any Beam Sword, Neon resembles Brawl's. [[User:Papayazzi|Papayazzi]] ([[User talk:Papayazzi|talk]]) 12:20, 17 November 2015 (EST) | |||
== Corinth's costumes == | |||
Just want to make sure no one forgot about Corinth. There was a section of his reveal that showed the alternate costumes. :/ [[User:Hylia's Eye|Hylia's Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia's Eye|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2015 (EST) | |||
== Um == | |||
Why does Bayonetta have her costume info hidden? I'm assuming Corrin does too <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 17:22, 18 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's due to the fact that the standard costume pics are included with it and since we don't have them for Corrinetta, it would create broken links. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:24, 18 December 2015 (EST) | |||
== Cloud Alt 7 == | |||
Cloud's Alt 7 outfit, the black SOLDIER uniform, is a reference to ''Crisis Core'' where the 1st Class SOLDIER uniforms were black. [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:AngealCGModel-CrisisCore.png Example 1], [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:Zack_fair.jpg Example 2]. [[Special:Contributions/65.95.66.108|65.95.66.108]] 09:05, 19 December 2015 (EST) | |||
Ok '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 13:33, 19 December 2015 (EST) | |||
Change made. Thank you for the input! '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 15:53, 19 December 2015 (EST) | |||
== Shadow Mewtwo == | |||
Because I'm apparently not the only one who has added it... | |||
Is it obviously being a coincidence really a legitimate reason to remove the mention altogether? As long as we aren't implying that the resemblance was purposeful, I think it's rather notable that a costume in Smash resembles a character introduced in Pokemon later, even if it is a coincidence. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 17:36, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:Here's the thing. Alternate costumes that have a basis are based on something that was released ''previously''. If something was released after, we don't list it because it clearly wasn't the basis for the costume's existence. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:43, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::Well, duh. I'm not brainless, I understand that. | |||
::But why do we have to only list things that the costume may be based off of? Why can't we list things that may be based off of the costume, or even coincidentally resemble it? <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 17:45, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::Well for one thing, it can be misleading. Some people could be misled into thinking that it was based on that when that wasn't the case at all. Another thing, if we were to list every coincidental similarity, the page would be cluttered with information to the point where it'd be complete nonsense. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:46, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::::Additionally, we try to keep things simplified to only the ones that majorly resemble them or ones that are confirmed to have a basis. Same issue for ones that ''may'' be based on things as well. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:47, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::::The confusion shouldn't be a problem if it's phrased properly: "It also resembles, although precedes, Shadow Mewtwo from Pokken Tournament." "A similarly colored version of Mewtwo was also featured in Pokken Tournament, which is scheduled to release almost a year after Mewtwo.." "It may also have been the inspiration for Shadow Mewtwo in Pokken Tournament, similar to Pit's black costume from ''Brawl'' inspiring the creation of Dark Pit." Etc. | |||
:::::And the simplicity thing isn't exactly true. There are a ton of costume descriptions in here that are way over-complicated. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 17:51, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::::::Ok it's speculative, and it's not notable. Way closer to Shadow Lugia. Also Shadow Mewtwo is black and orange. And he's way different looking. It's not like a Yeti DK case where a Mario vs DK toy totally resembles it post-Smash release. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px orange">'''Smashedpotatoes'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:cerulean;text-shadow: 1px 1px 3px cyan">'''(Talk)'''</span>]] 17:54, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::::::That makes more sense. I still think it resembles him pretty strongly, but whatever. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 17:57, 22 December 2015 (EST) | |||