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== Regarding Charizard's "Aerodactyl" color ==
== Regarding Charizard's "Aerodactyl" color ==
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::::Well, I do see your point.
::::Well, I do see your point.
::::: I don't. A lot of things aren't the same color as they are in their home series, but in the same color range. Shulk's colors don't resemble his home colors at all by that definition. Nor do the Zelda characters besides Toon Link. Mario's green and orange, now green and brown, Wrecking Crew outfit doesn't resemble the home series or its appearance in previous smash games. The fact is Tealish and Greenish are both more green than any other color, and his Greenish swap from Melee has been updated to be more tealish to fit Smash 4's aesthetic (the same way Mario's orange has become brown, or Spike foremans brown and yellow has become black and white), and Ness with the Master Ball in the trailer is clearly a reference to a super rare thing you would want to use a master ball on, like a Shiny Mewtwo.. [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]]) 02:45, 16 April 2015 (EDT)  
::::: I don't. A lot of things aren't the same color as they are in their home series, but in the same color range. Shulk's colors don't resemble his home colors at all by that definition. Nor do the Zelda characters besides Toon Link. Mario's green and orange, now green and brown, Wrecking Crew outfit doesn't resemble the home series or its appearance in previous smash games. The fact is Tealish and Greenish are both more green than any other color, and his Greenish swap from Melee has been updated to be more tealish to fit Smash 4's aesthetic (the same way Mario's orange has become brown, or Spike foremans brown and yellow has become black and white), and Ness with the Master Ball in the trailer is clearly a reference to a super rare thing you would want to use a master ball on, like a Shiny Mewtwo.. [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]]) 02:45, 16 April 2015 (EDT)  
:: Agreed. It's close enough that we can at least say resemble if not based on. It's more similar to Mewtwo's real Shiny than Greninja's is to his. [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]]) 02:45, 16 April 2015 (EDT)
::::Not different enough to not be worth mentioning. Like Allsalts said, it looks more like Mewtwo's Shiny than Greninja's supposed Shiny color is to it. [[User:73MPL4R|'''<span style="color:#857363">73MPL4R</span>''']][[User talk:73MPL4R|'''<span style="color:#505050"> Only the dead have seen the end of war</span>''']] 21:15, 16 April 2015 (EDT)
::::Not different enough to not be worth mentioning. Like Allsalts said, it looks more like Mewtwo's Shiny than Greninja's supposed Shiny color is to it. [[User:73MPL4R|'''<span style="color:#857363">73MPL4R</span>''']][[User talk:73MPL4R|'''<span style="color:#505050"> Only the dead have seen the end of war</span>''']] 21:15, 16 April 2015 (EDT)
However, I never really thought that it had to be ''exactly'' that color. I mean, think about it. Greninja's shiny palette has some cosmetic differences from its original; Charizard also has a shiny, even if it's not the modern black and red one. [[User:Hylia&#39;s Eye|Hylia&#39;s Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia&#39;s Eye|talk]]) 20:44, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
However, I never really thought that it had to be ''exactly'' that color. I mean, think about it. Greninja's shiny palette has some cosmetic differences from its original; Charizard also has a shiny, even if it's not the modern black and red one. [[User:Hylia&#39;s Eye|Hylia&#39;s Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia&#39;s Eye|talk]]) 20:44, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
:: Agreed. It's close enough that we can at least say resemble if not based on. It's more similar to Mewtwo's real Shiny than Greninja's is to his. [[User:Allsalts|Allsalts]] ([[User talk:Allsalts|talk]]) 02:45, 16 April 2015 (EDT)


Anyway, for the pink color scheme, would it be alright for me to put it as a reference to Mew? [[User:Hylia&#39;s Eye|Hylia&#39;s Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia&#39;s Eye|talk]]) 19:58, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
Anyway, for the pink color scheme, would it be alright for me to put it as a reference to Mew? [[User:Hylia&#39;s Eye|Hylia&#39;s Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia&#39;s Eye|talk]]) 19:58, 15 April 2015 (EDT)


I still think the cyan swap is at least partly based on shiny Mew. Check its [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mew_(Pokémon)#Sprites sprites] for reference, especially the early ones. --[[User:Menshay|Menshay]] ([[User talk:Menshay|talk]]) 06:09, 16 April 2015 (EDT)
I still think the cyan swap is at least partly based on shiny Mew. Check its [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mew_(Pokémon)#Sprites sprites] for reference, especially the early ones. --[[User:Menshay|Menshay]] ([[User talk:Menshay|talk]]) 06:09, 16 April 2015 (EDT)


Miles, calm down! Just because you have a different point of view on this doesn't mean you have to make everybody agree with you. We all agree that it looks like shiny Mewtwo, why can't you just accept that?Nintenzilla 09:07, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
Miles, calm down! Just because you have a different point of view on this doesn't mean you have to make everybody agree with you. We all agree that it looks like shiny Mewtwo, why can't you just accept that?Nintenzilla 09:07, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
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How does Mewtwo's black coloration resemble Shadow Lugia? It could only just be that the color of Mewtwo's tail and body switched places. The color of Shadow Lugia's body is light blue rather than light purple. [[User:LimitCrown|LimitCrown]] ([[User talk:LimitCrown|talk]]) 00:07, 9 May 2015 (EDT)
How does Mewtwo's black coloration resemble Shadow Lugia? It could only just be that the color of Mewtwo's tail and body switched places. The color of Shadow Lugia's body is light blue rather than light purple. [[User:LimitCrown|LimitCrown]] ([[User talk:LimitCrown|talk]]) 00:07, 9 May 2015 (EDT)
It's nice that everyone's arguing the hell out of cyan and shadow Mewtwo, but can I just ask why the hell Orange Mewtwo is being likened to Melee's red palette swap when the red one in SSB4 is clearly that one? (referred to as pink on the page for reasons I can only imagine being related to still others needing their eyes checked) I'm just extremely confused as to why people think that orange = red as opposed to an actual shade of red = red [[Special:Contributions/23.119.13.33|23.119.13.33]] 11:33, 30 June 2015 (EDT)
:Because that costume [[:File:Mewtwo Palette (SSBM).png|is orange-ish/red in Melee]]? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:39, 30 June 2015 (EDT)


== Charizard's Green Color ==
== Charizard's Green Color ==
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All right, I thought we settled this before. Why is it gone again? [[Special:Contributions/71.226.144.42|71.226.144.42]] 17:11, 17 May 2015 (EDT)
All right, I thought we settled this before. Why is it gone again? [[Special:Contributions/71.226.144.42|71.226.144.42]] 17:11, 17 May 2015 (EDT)
: Because Miles thinks that it's not based on NAV-COM.  [http://www.vgfacts.com/forums/thread-1136.html VGFacts has proven otherwise]. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 16:32, 29 June 2015 (EDT)
::Nav-com is quite clearly a different purple from the dark blue R.O.B. costume. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:37, 29 June 2015 (EDT)
::: But it's ''still'' NAV-COM, no ifs ands or buts.  The proof is in the link.  --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 16:40, 29 June 2015 (EDT)
::::Uh, no, it's not. The link is based on an old version of our Brawl costumes page, before that claim was removed for lack of similarity. VGFacts is not a definitive source by any means. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:46, 29 June 2015 (EDT)


== Bowser's Orange and Ness's Cyan ==
== Bowser's Orange and Ness's Cyan ==
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== Lucas's Blue ==
== Lucas's Blue ==


This is a reference to Kumatora, a female party member of Mother 3.  The shorts color matches her boot color and the shirt color matches her jacket.  Lucas's hair is darker, and looks more like Kumatora's hair.  Here's a picture of her: [http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/earthbound/images/9/9a/Kumatora_Clay.png/revision/latest?cb=20110221004857] {{unsigned|Kruegerm16|18:09 (EST) 5 June 2015}}
This is a reference to Kumatora, a female party member of Mother 3.  The shorts color matches her boot color and the shirt color matches her jacket.  Lucas's hair is darker, and looks more like Kumatora's hair.  Here's a picture of her: [http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/earthbound/images/9/9a/Kumatora_Clay.png/revision/latest?cb=20110221004857] <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Kruegerm16|Kruegerm16]] ([[User talk:Kruegerm16|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kruegerm16|contribs]]) 18:09 (EST) 5 June 2015</small>
:Remember to sign your comments with four ~s. Anyway, I disagree. If it was based on her, the hair color would be a bit more pink. Thank you for bringing it to the talk page, though! [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 18:16, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
:Remember to sign your comments with four ~s. Anyway, I disagree. If it was based on her, the hair color would be a bit more pink. Thank you for bringing it to the talk page, though! [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 18:16, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
:First off, that's fanart. Second, the costume would need to have a more straightforward blue to match her outfit and would probably have pink hair, since the Duster, Claus, and Masked Man costumes all change his hair color. I think saying there's any reference to Kumatora in any of Lucas's costumes is a stretch. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:32, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
:First off, that's fanart. Second, the costume would need to have a more straightforward blue to match her outfit and would probably have pink hair, since the Duster, Claus, and Masked Man costumes all change his hair color. I think saying there's any reference to Kumatora in any of Lucas's costumes is a stretch. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:32, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
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The link doesn't really explain much, compared to the details given for the others.  Having the link before the desciptions is lazy.  --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 07:49, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
The link doesn't really explain much, compared to the details given for the others.  Having the link before the desciptions is lazy.  --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 07:49, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
:Doesn't having the link to the source costumes and saying what game they're from eliminate any need for further description? Not to mention that the other "sources" for the costumes that you keep adding in don't seem to agree with the much more credible source already linked. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:50, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
:: It doesn't eliminate the need.  The link is too vague. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 13:01, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
:::What's vague about "these alternate costumes are based on these identical alternate costumes from this game" with a cross-reference image? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:12, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
::::What's wrong with having "This alternate costume is based on this identical costume form this game" with direct links to the source? --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 21:57, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::You haven't provided such a thing for two of the four you're claiming; on top of that, there's not much reason to believe they're the origin when it's clear that all of his costumes are from the same source and come as a set. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:09, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::Except for his orange and pink alts.  And to a lesser extent his "cyan" alt.  The orange one is actually from SNK's Art of Fighting series that was meant to cash in on Street Fighter II's success, by having a Ryu copy named Ryo Sakazaki.  The gi that Ryu wears is based on Ryo's.  The pink one is directly connected to the orange one by way of Capcom striking back at SNK by creating Dan Hibiki, the owner of the pink gi in Street Fighter Alpha.  The cyan outfit that Ryu wears is also based on his attire from Street Fighter Alpha, where he wears a white gi and headband.--[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 13:27, 22 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::::You're missing my point. Why are you so sure that those costumes are based on other characters when [http://wiki.shoryuken.com/images/0/0a/HDRColorRyu.PNG they 100% match an existing set of costumes], most of which are already based on [http://www.spriters-resource.com/fullview/60224/ even older costumes]? Are you saying those costumes are based on these characters in HD Remix? And if so, you'd need to provide proof of that too. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:34, 22 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::::I beleive you're the one saying that they're based on HD Remix.  I'm saying that they're based on existing outfits from ''before'' HD Remix. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 21:31, 22 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::You're really confusing me. They're an exact match for the HD Remix costumes. Are you saying that your claimed origins are the origins of the HD Remix costumes (and therefore the Smash ones indirectly), or do you disagree that they match the HD Remix ones? Because the its pretty blatant that they match to me. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:50, 22 June 2015 (EDT)
{{reset indent}} Now wait a second here...if we agreed on the fact that they're based off of HD Remix, then [[Alternate costume (SSB4)#Ryu|why the hell is the info still up there]]? [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 17:08, 12 July 2015 (EDT)
== Ryu's Gray Color ==
The gray costume is used for Champion Edition, not Hyper Fighting. The white costume is. [[Special:Contributions/121.180.199.162|121.180.199.162]] 06:26, 26 June 2015 (EDT)
== Fire Emblem greens: =/= neutral unit colors...? ==
I dunno what the deal is with people being obsessed with the Abel archetype color scheme, but I have to heavily disagree with that assessment. Just because Abel was green and in the first game, it does not mean that any characters with a green palette in the game are based on him. (Same deal with the Geoffrey comparison to Ike) I mean, while we're at it why not just throw in the names of anyone else who's ever worn green in a Fire Emblem game?
Everyone seems to agree that the red Fire Emblem character palettes are based on Fire Emblem's enemy unit colors and not Cain, so why is this even a thing? Is it not obvious to anyone else that Fire Emblem char's green color schemes are intended to resemble the colors of [http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e312/FireEmblemBeta/Overworld.png neutral units] in these games? The entire reason that Robin's green color scheme resembles FE7's tactician sprite (thank you guys for finally realizing this at least) is because of ''that''-- because the tactician character is a neutral/friendly unit that cannot be controlled by the player. It's kind of a no-brainer, Abel/Geoffrey/etc really have nothing to do with it. [[User:Banryu|Banryu]] ([[User talk:Banryu|talk]]) 11:45, 30 June 2015 (EDT)
:That makes sense, especially considering the placement after the enemy unit color scheme. Still, it already seems to say that on the page. Why bring it up? [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 11:59, 30 June 2015 (EDT)
For the longest time that was the only thing mentioned for Robin's green palette, and now again it's the only thing mentioned for Roy. Mentioning Abel at all just seems completely pointless and incidental to me (Geoffrey slightly less so, seeing as they're at least in the same game, but still). Looking again, Marth actually has this listed correctly; I'm just confused as to why that's not the case with Ike and Roy as well. [[User:Banryu|Banryu]] ([[User talk:Banryu|talk]]) 14:59, 30 June 2015 (EDT)
:I'm by no means particularly knowledgeable about FE, but if you've got a clear basis for fixing what we currently have on the page you're encouraged to do so. Part of the issue I think is people are very quick to try to find a basis for every single costume; in a series with as many characters as FE there's pretty much always going to be a few that are close, regardless of if they make any sense as the costume's origin. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:05, 30 June 2015 (EDT)
== People need to realize that some colors just aren't based on anything.==
Sometimes a green costume is just a green costume, you know?
For example, I seriously doubt Nintendo would reference something like the French DK Country TV Show, or a single commercial for F-Zero. People think "Oh, Falcon was dressed in black in that ad, so his black color must be based on it right??" Not exactly.
Another example is Blue Ness representing his young self, apparently...The only similarity is that it's blue, it's really not a reference to that. There's a lot of junk in this article that needs cleaning up.
The article needs focus on true, obvious references and ones confirmed by Sakurai. Ryu's colors are definitely all references, as are Lucina's and Shulk's. 90% of Lucas's are also true references. Focus on those alts. Confirmed references to 3rd party material are also OK. Like Samus' green Gundam alt, Ness' Henshin Tigers costume, and Robin's white mage outfit--But I'd say those are the only exceptions. [[Special:Contributions/76.231.86.37|76.231.86.37]] 06:14, 23 July 2015 (EDT)
:Except Nintendo '''''can''''' reference the DKC Anime and the Japanese F-Zero X ad.  Why?  They're Nintendo, they do stuff like that! --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 20:14, 5 August 2015 (EDT)
::Nintendo can't make third party references because of copyrights. If it's Sonic, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Ryu and Snake, then they can make all the references they want, because SEGA, Namco, Capcom, and Konami ''let them use their characters''. (Also, Sakurai confirmed on the original SSB site that the green Samus alt was unique to Smash.) [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 20:30, 5 August 2015 (EDT)
== Luigi's eight palette ==
Instead of edit warring, let's discuss this on the talk page. Personally, I believe that the costume isn't intended to resemble [http://www.mariowiki.com/File:AnimeLuigi.png the anime outfit]. Everything except the shirt color seems to be incorrect (heck, the overalls seem fairly real compared to the default palette, let alone the outfit). [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: LawnGreen">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 17:29, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
:True. But it does "resemble" it in the shirt color. I think that's the only instance of Luigi wearing yellow. Doesn't mean it's intended to resemble it, and it doesn't mean it was modeled after it, but it does have some notable resemblance. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 17:32, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
::No, it really doesn't have notable resemblance and there I literally cannot find a single other place that says it looks alike. With the exception of Did You Know Movies? latest video, which clearly got the info from here and was lambasted in the comments about how inaccurate it is. Popular opinion is that Alt 7 is based on the movie. Sure resembles it a HELL of a lot more than the other. Seriously, I literally can't find a single other person who thinks it looks remotely similar. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 01:50, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
::Sorry, but I have to disagree. No resemblance [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 02:05, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
:::I'm with Laikue here; the 8th one has no resemblance. The 7th one, on the other hand... [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 09:34, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
::::Okay. I think I agree with y'all now. Do you think we should put the resemblance to the anime one for the 7th one? It's based on the Dark Moon multiplayer color but with the insignia and all it has some, so we could add a mention at the end... [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 15:47, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
::::Oh my gosh wow, I glossed over the fact that his cap is yellow while in the anime it's blue...silly me [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 15:53, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
== Mewtwo - Pink/Magenta Alt Costume ==
[http://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/sites/idigitaltimes.com/files/styles/large/public/2015/04/16/super-smash-bros-4-mewtwo-dlc-custom-moves.png Look at Mew's color]
[http://ssbwiki.com/images/2/24/Mewtwo_Palette_%28SSB4%29.png Look at #5]
The colors are so similar. Side note, neither are red. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 18:55, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
:Mmmmm...It's a major stretch. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 19:00, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
::Is it though? They're both pink. I don't see how one can't see any resemblance in color.
:::Luigi has a pink costume. Does that mean this swap is based on that? [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 19:19, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
::::I see no resemblance. [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Alternate_costume_(SSB4)&diff=716038&oldid=716036 You said it yourself] that Mewtwo is magenta, and magenta ≠ Mew's color. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 19:21, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
:::::Oh my god. Mew has something to do with Mewtwo. I really don't appreciate your sarcasm Serpent King.
:::::Also, the point is, they're VERY close in color. In addition, the description said "resembles." Didn 't say "directly inspired by." [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 19:36, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
<small>(Reset indent) </small> You had that sarcasm coming...
That being said, I still see no resemblance between <font color="magenta">Mewtwo's alt</font> and <font color="pink">Mew's coloring</font>. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 19:39, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
:Regarding your first sentence: You know what, you're a jerk. Also, I give up, it's not worth it. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 19:43, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
::Let's just calm down here. The point is that just because a character may have a similar pallet (especially if it isn't dead on, and if that pallet includes only one color), that does not mean that the swap was meant to represent that character [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 19:46, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
:::I know that it may not be intended to resemble something, I get it. Thing is, its color is close to something directly related to Mewtwo (Mew being the prior form), and because their colors are close, Mewtwo's color "resembles" Mew's color. I don't get what's so hard to understand. But you know what, I guess it is unimportant and not close enough to be omitted. Side note, I hate dealing with jerks on the interwebs (not talking about you SK but then again, your sarcasm sucked) [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 19:52, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
::::Wasn't intended to be sarcastic really, just trying to make a point. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 19:55, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
:::::Well it sure didn't translate how you intended because the answer was obvious. Oh well. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 19:57, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
<small>(Reset indent) </small> SmashedPotatoes, no offense intended, but I think you should take a color test. My partially color-blind brother says that they look incredibly similar, but no one else in my family can see it. Actually, thinking about it, I bet a LOT of the inconsistencies and arguments that stem from this page are because of that. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 20:54, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
:"No offense" is a shitty phrase, way to cover your ass. Nice knowing you're a jerk as well [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 22:00, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
:Also, I'm not colorblind, I can see just fine, thanks. No offense, not to be rude, not to be a jerk, not to be a dick, not to be that guy, sorry but, you've brought nothing to this conversation unfortunately [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 22:04, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
::Look. This is a wiki. Disagreements happen and are, in a lot of cases, a good thing. Please do not be upset if someone disagrees with you. It's fine, and it's almost never meant to be a personal attack. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 22:06, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
:::I'm not mad that people are disagreeing with me. I'm mad that people are being bigass dicks, that's all [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 22:07, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
::::I wasn't trying to offend you, no. I'm just saying that it could be possible. I didn't mean to come off so blunt, but eh, I guess I did. Sorry. Still think it's worth looking into. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 23:13, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
::::It's k. I actually took a color test and it said I have normal vision. So that's that [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 23:20, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
== "Do not switch to Sigurd" ==
"he has white outlines, but Ike's costume has gold, like Seliph." There's two problems with this claim. One, [[fireemblemwiki:File:FESK Sigurd 01.png|Sigurd does have gold outlines]] on some of his black elements (admittedly not his shoulder armour), and two, [[fireemblemwiki:File:FESK Seliph 02.png|this]] [[fireemblemwiki:File:FESK Seliph 03.png|is Seliph]]. His colour distribution doesn't match this Ike costume at all. Seliph does wear this colour scheme [[fireemblemwiki:File:TCG 3-001.jpg|once in just one of his five TCG cards]], but all other depictions of him, particularly how he looks in-game, are [[fireemblemwiki:File:FESK Seliph 01.png|more in this sort of area]]. Sigurd, on the other hand, [[fireemblemwiki:File:TCG 1-001.jpg|consistently wears nothing but white'n'blue]]. --[[User:Missiletainn|Missiletainn]] ([[User talk:Missiletainn|talk]]) 20:33, 31 August 2015 (EDT)
:I have to agree, he looks a lot more like Sigurd than Seliph based on the pictures I've seen (never played the games though). <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small>  21:29, 31 August 2015 (EDT)
== Lucina's alts. ==
Couple things, 1.) the Tharja alt doesn't have the [http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/6/6b/Grima_fixed.png/revision/latest?cb=20140923213549 Mark of Grima] on the cape.
2.) it's not the only alt to change the cape's texture, the Tiki one does, too.
[[Special:Contributions/98.27.129.207|98.27.129.207]] 23:16, 12 September 2015 (EDT)
You sir, are correct, Imma make dose changes accordingly. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 00:26, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
== So do we really need to note alts to other games in the smash series? ==
Like Bowser's Black costume. It just seems pointless to me. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 03:30, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:I've been thinking about that and have been on the fence about it, and now that you mention it, it does seem pointless. If it's based on something else (in that case Morton) then I think it's appropriate to omit the part about it originating from Brawl. In the case of it not being based on anything, I think I'd lean towards omitting those details as well. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 03:36, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
::Then again, if there are slight changes made to the costume that originated from another Smash game, would it be necessary to note them? That seems like the hard part. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 03:40, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:::I'm with Smashedpotatoes over here, regarding opinions. [[User:INoMed|INoMed]], <span style="color:orange">King of</span> <span style="color:red">Demons</span> ([[User talk:INoMed|Talk]]) 03:47, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
::I did the deed. Left in the iffy stuff, which can be found with Ctrl + F and typing in "Smash Bros," "Melee," or "Brawl." Any opinions on the iffy stuff? [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 04:07, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:::Example please? Not sure what you are talking about. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 04:31, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
::::I think all that's left is Fox's eighth one, and Wario's second and third ones. That's the iffy stuff I'm talking about. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 04:39, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::I removed Fox, but I am fine with Wario. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 04:46, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::Ok, that's good. I think there should be some mention about Fox's eighth one resembling the color scheme of Wolf. Just...without the weird details the prior information stated there. What do you think? [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 04:48, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::I'd be fine with that if the fur was gray and not ''purple'' [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 04:49, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::::Slightly purple. Wolf's attire has purple on it too, as does Fox's here. It's a solid resemblance. But I'd understand if that mention was left out or put in. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 04:53, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
== Duck Hunt Banjo-Kazooie alt ==
many people refer to Duck hunt Duo's red alt as looking like Banjo-Kazooie, do you think this is worthy of note? I think it is, as the resemblence is uncanny
:Absolutely not. This has been discussed many times before, and the answer is no. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 09:22, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
Yet we still have the F-Zero X advert comparison.
:You're right, but that does not pertain to this lol [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 12:44, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
== Charizard's Yellow and Pink colors ==
I personally feel that while the yellow colors for Charizard could be a reference to Charmeleon's and Charmander's shiny colors, it's more likely to be a reference to Dragonite, who is a fully evolved Gen 1 Pokemon with wings and dragon-like attributes. They also have similarly-colored inner wings and have a creamy underbelly.
I also think that the Pink color could reference the Pokemon Nidoking, who's ears bear a passing resemblance to the insides of the Pink color's wings. Nidoking is also vaguely pink, and they both have gray underbellies. It's a bit of a stretch, but if I had to pin it as a reference, that would be it.
[[User:Bazzard|Bazzard]] ([[User talk:Bazzard|talk]]) 00:31, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
Those are huge stretches, man. Yellow is almost definitely referencing Shiny Charmander/Charmeleon. Not only are the colors matching, but they're Charizard's pre-evolved forms, so they also have that direct relation, further strengthening the likelihood of the inference of the references being true. Nidoking is an even bigger stretch. First off, it's not even a Pokemon that has wings, which all non-Charizard family alt costumes reference. There are tons of purple/pinkish Pokemon...pinning it as Nidoking, whose colors don't even totally matches Charizard's pink alt, is waaaaaaayyyy out there. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 01:13, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
I'll concede on Nidoking, but how is the yellow one a "huge stretch" to be Dragonite? Both Charizard and Dragonite are famous gen 1 Pokemon with dragonic bodies. I almost feel like its more of a stretch to reference the pre-evolved forms Shiny colors than just one of the most iconic Gen 1 Pokemon. [[User:Bazzard|Bazzard]] ([[User talk:Bazzard|talk]]) 21:02, 4 October 2015 (EDT)
:Isn't Dragonite more of an orange than a yellow? [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 21:14, 4 October 2015 (EDT)
:That's why it's a big stretch: Dragonite is orange, and shiny Charmander and Charmeleon are very clearly yellow. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 01:24, 5 October 2015 (EDT)\
:It's in line with the purpose of this wiki to add more objective and un-opinionated edits, as opposed to putting your personal thoughts out there on a page people may look to for real information. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 01:43, 5 October 2015 (EDT)
:For this page things have to be plausible, because we don't know with 100% certainty what many of the costumes are based off of, but we can make really good inferences based on our knowledge. In this case, it's much more plausible for the yellow costumes to be based on the matching yellow-colored shiny Charmander and Charmelons colors, who also have direct relation to Charizard via being its pre-evolved forms, as opposed to the idea that it is instead based on Dragonite, who despite also being a dragonic Pokemon, does not have as strong as a relation to Charizard, and has a different color. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 01:50, 5 October 2015 (EDT)
== Greninja's Purple-Green Alt. ==
I've been think about this costume, and after some thinking it looks a lot like a shiny Dragalge's color scheme. Both Pokémon are a Water-type Pokémon with a secondary type that is more "dark", for lack of a better word, and both have parts that sort of float (again for lack of a better word) being Greninja's tounge and Dragalge's whole body, really. I know it is a sort of stretch, but is it close enough to be listed? [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 19:38, 4 October 2015 (EDT)
:Dragalge isn't Water-type (although it evolves from one). That aside, I find the idea that it's a deliberate resemblance doubtful. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:13, 4 October 2015 (EDT)
::Oh. My bad, I have a lot of trouble with it's types. I guess I should of checked. I figured it wasn't close enough, but I didn't see the harm in asking. [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 05:51, 5 October 2015 (EDT)
== Kirby's Green Color ==
That is NOT Plasma Kirby. Plasma Kirby wasn't green until Super Star Ultra. In the original game for the SNES, Plasma Kirby was pink. It wasn't until the Kirby anime that Spark Kirby would be colored green, but that was long after the debut of a green Kirby in the first Smash Bros. game. [[Special:Contributions/73.226.78.163|73.226.78.163]] 17:06, 10 October 2015 (EDT)
That is true, I will change it to say Super Star Ultra instead of Super Star. [[User:Aardvarkian|Aardvarkian]] ([[User talk:Aardvarkian|talk]]) 17:09, 10 October 2015 (EDT)
== Bowser Orange Alt ==
It pretty much is Bowletta. Why does it get removed when I add it?
[[User:Blastoise64|Blastoise64]] ([[User talk:Blastoise64|talk]]) 01:51, 17 October 2015 (EDT)Blastoise64
It's not pretty much Bowletta. Yeah, there's pink. But even Bowletta has red hair. Besides the new physical characteristics gained while being Bowletta, Bowletta has the same color scheme as standard Bowser. As far as we know, to say that that alternate costume is Bowletta is incorrect. To say it may have been inspired by Bowletta in terms of the hair, maybe, but even that looks to be pushing it. [[User:Aardvarkian|Aardvarkian]] ([[User talk:Aardvarkian|talk]]) 02:06, 17 October 2015 (EDT)
:Bowletta had pink hair. [[mariowiki:Bowletta]]
::That's red hair sandwiched in between two pink horn-like things protruding out of Bowletta's head. [[User:Aardvarkian|Aardvarkian]] ([[User talk:Aardvarkian|talk]])
:That aside, I'm with Aardvarkian here. It's not Bowlettta. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 10:39, 17 October 2015 (EDT)
== Pit's Pink Alt ==
The [http://kidicarus.wikia.com/wiki/File:Copy_of_ok.jpg sprites] to the very right seem similar to Pit's 8th alt.
[[User:Blastoise64|Blastoise64]] ([[User talk:Blastoise64|talk]]) 20:22, 22 October 2015 (EDT)Blastoise64
:[http://www.spriters-resource.com/nes/kidicarus/sheet/32909/ Here's a clearer sheet] from The Spriters Resource. Are you referring to the [[Three Sacred Treasures]] sprites? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:24, 22 October 2015 (EDT)
Yes. I think they resemble his pink alt.
[[User:Blastoise64|Blastoise64]] ([[User talk:Blastoise64|talk]]) 21:32, 22 October 2015 (EDT)Blastoise64
:[[:File:Three Sacred Treasures - Kid Icarus.gif|It's really more of an off-purple]]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:04, 22 October 2015 (EDT)
::That sprite's not the same color as the one on the sheet (tested and proven via photoshop). <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:Nutta Butta|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small>  22:16, 22 October 2015 (EDT)
== Luigi's 7th Costume ==
This costume (the Blue one, just to make sure the 7th isn't a different one.) seems to resemble Luigi's appearance in "[http://www.mariowiki.com/File:Anime_StarFalling.jpg Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!]" more than the costume in Dark Moon, as the arms are a different color than Default and the L is yellow. Also everyone I've seen talk about it other than this Wiki tell me it's based on that. Is this noteworthy? [[User:TeddyBearYoshi|TeddyBearYoshi]] ([[User talk:TeddyBearYoshi|talk]]) 12:15, 24 October 2015 (EDT)
No, because aside from the "L" on the cap being green instead of blue, it resembles the [https://i1.ytimg.com/sh/kAZg0s2cCJY/showposter.jpg?v=5137cc53| green/blue multiplayer alternate costume in Dark Moon]. The shirts are the same shade of green, and the overalls and cap are the same shade of blue. The shades of blue and the yellow shirt color greatly differentiates the one you are talking about from the one in Dark Moon. [[User talk:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''(Aardvarkian's Talk Page • '''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''My Contribs)'''''</span>]] 15:39, 24 October 2015 (EDT)
== Rosalina / Peach ==
Ok, so I think Rosalina's pink, yellow, green, and purple alternate costumes are simply just pink, yellow, green, and purple alternate costumes. I can see how they're similar to the colors of the Hungry Lumas, Yellow Lumas, Trial Lumas, and Lubba, respectively, but they don't have any characteristics that particularly indicate that they are based on them. Also, Peach's black and yellow costume does not seem to be based on anything either. The reference cited in its notes doesn't seem to suffice, as it is all black, not to mention that the comic is obscure. I'm not saying there's no possibility they are based on them, and I'm not saying that there is no resemblace in terms of color schemes, but I am saying that, on this wiki, stating that there's any sort of relation or resemblance between those costumes and their respective possible "references" or "resemblances" in those notes is as silly as stating that Pit's purple alternate costume resembles the color scheme of the Eggplant Wizard or that the red, yellow, and blue Dr. Mario alternate costumes are based off of the Red, Yellow, and Blue Viruses. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 13:01, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
:#Rosalina's pink is the same shade as Peach's dress. You can't deny that.
:#"Based off" ≠ "resembles the coloring of".
:[[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 13:48, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
::#Didn't say anything about the pink one having the same shade as Peach's dress. It's true, so that's why I didn't need to mention it here.
::#Clearly you didn't read what I said thoroughly. I didn't say that "Based off" = "resembling the color of." I'm just saying that why should we draw a comparison with her costumes to basic colors bore by a Lumas? We could say that that the yellow resembles the color of a Star, or the green resembles the color of a star bit, and in this case it's saying it resembles the color of a particular Luma. But maybe, just maybe, none of that should be there, and instead be left as pink (with Peach dress color mention), yellow, green, and purple alternate costumes. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 14:26, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
:::I didn't mean the Lumas. I meant that you're saying "Peach's B/Y alt isn't based on anything", and I'm asking does it have to be? It can resemble something, but that [[Alternate costume (SSB4)#Duck Hunt|doesn't mean it's based off of it]]. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 14:30, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
[[File:Greenalina.png|thumb|150px|right]]
::::Well technically Peach's B/Y alt ''is'' based on something:  it's the outfit she wore as Dr. Wily's assistant in a German Club Nintendo comic,Super Mario: Verloren in der Zeit. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 10:00, 15 December 2015 (EST)
:::::Hmmm. You don't know that without any shred of uncertainty. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px orange">'''Smashedpotatoes'''</span>]]  [[User Talk:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:cerulean;text-shadow: 1px 1px 3px cyan">'''(Talk)'''</span>]] 13:36, 15 December 2015 (EST)
:::Ok. Well of course it doesn't, it can surely resemble something. I think it's a weak argument for the BY as far as resemblance is concerned because the one in the comic is just black, and this one is black with yellow. As a sort of inverse example, it'd be like saying that a totally black costume resembles Polari's colors; that'd only work if the black costume had blue embellishments. It's more distinctive in that sense. Kinda see what I mean? '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 14:34, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
Ignore me, just adding relevant pic after discussion so it doesn't show in unused images. [[User:DekZek|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Dek'''</font><font color="Blue">'''Zek'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 12:17, 10 November 2015 (EST)
== Greenalina ==
[[:File:Greenalina.png|Looks bluer to me.]] <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:DatNuttyKid|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small>  22:20, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
== Palutena's 7th Palette ==
By the looks of it, the palette seems to resemble Dark Pit, not only because of the black dress, but the silver staff which is reminiscent of Dark Pit's Silver Bow. Also, it's the only palette where Palutena's gear is silver instead of gold. [[User:Yoshi725|Yoshi725]] ([[User talk:Yoshi725|talk]]) 11:02, 2 November 2015 (EST)
:I can see that. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Space Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 11:08, 2 November 2015 (EST)
:I see it too. [[User:Papayazzi|Papayazzi]] ([[User talk:Papayazzi|talk]]) 12:15, 2 November 2015 (EST)
== Dark Pit's Red Palette ==
It could just be me, but the color scheme does have a bit of a resemblance to Viridi. Not just because of the red outfit, but looking closer reveals that, around the bottom of his toga, the pattern there turns a different hue of purple to resemble Viridi's purple on her outfit.
Probably just you. None of that's not enough to have any resemblance... '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 06:02, 11 November 2015 (EST)
== Mii Swordfighter Costume sword Resemblances ==
Doesn't the [[Swordfighter]]'s Neon Suit's sword resemble the [[Beam Sword]] in [[Melee]]? And maybe the Cybernetic Suit's sword resembles the [[Brawl]] version of the [[Beam Sword]]?
[[User:Yin10Dou|Yin10Dou]] ([[User talk:Yin10Dou|talk]]) 12:08, 17 November 2015 (EST)Yin10Dou
:Bring that up [[List of swords|here]]. 12:10, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:Already done. [[User:Papayazzi|Papayazzi]] ([[User talk:Papayazzi|talk]]) 12:13, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:Neon Suit sword doesn't resemble Melee's though. The one in Melee is purple, this is reddish near the hilt and blue all over. [[User:Papayazzi|Papayazzi]] ([[User talk:Papayazzi|talk]]) 12:17, 17 November 2015 (EST)
:Nvm I was being dumb, fixed it. Cybernetic doesn't resembles any Beam Sword, Neon resembles Brawl's. [[User:Papayazzi|Papayazzi]] ([[User talk:Papayazzi|talk]]) 12:20, 17 November 2015 (EST)
== Corinth's costumes ==
Just want to make sure no one forgot about Corinth. There was a section of his reveal that showed the alternate costumes. :/ [[User:Hylia&#39;s Eye|Hylia&#39;s Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia&#39;s Eye|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2015 (EST)
== Um ==
Why does Bayonetta have her costume info hidden? I'm assuming Corrin does too <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  17:22, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's due to the fact that the standard costume pics are included with it and since we don't have them for Corrinetta, it would create broken links. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:24, 18 December 2015 (EST)
== Cloud Alt 7 ==
Cloud's Alt 7 outfit, the black SOLDIER uniform, is a reference to ''Crisis Core'' where the 1st Class SOLDIER uniforms were black. [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:AngealCGModel-CrisisCore.png Example 1], [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:Zack_fair.jpg Example 2]. [[Special:Contributions/65.95.66.108|65.95.66.108]] 09:05, 19 December 2015 (EST)
Ok '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 13:33, 19 December 2015 (EST)
Change made. Thank you for the input! '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 15:53, 19 December 2015 (EST)
== Shadow Mewtwo ==
Because I'm apparently not the only one who has added it...
Is it obviously being a coincidence really a legitimate reason to remove the mention altogether? As long as we aren't implying that the resemblance was purposeful, I think it's rather notable that a costume in Smash resembles a character introduced in Pokemon later, even if it is a coincidence. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  17:36, 22 December 2015 (EST)
:Here's the thing. Alternate costumes that have a basis are based on something that was released ''previously''. If something was released after, we don't list it because it clearly wasn't the basis for the costume's existence. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:43, 22 December 2015 (EST)
::Well, duh. I'm not brainless, I understand that.
::But why do we have to only list things that the costume may be based off of? Why can't we list things that may be based off of the costume, or even coincidentally resemble it? <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  17:45, 22 December 2015 (EST)
:::Well for one thing, it can be misleading. Some people could be misled into thinking that it was based on that when that wasn't the case at all. Another thing, if we were to list every coincidental similarity, the page would be cluttered with information to the point where it'd be complete nonsense. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:46, 22 December 2015 (EST)
::::Additionally, we try to keep things simplified to only the ones that majorly resemble them or ones that are confirmed to have a basis. Same issue for ones that ''may'' be based on things as well. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:47, 22 December 2015 (EST)
:::::The confusion shouldn't be a problem if it's phrased properly: "It also resembles, although precedes, Shadow Mewtwo from Pokken Tournament." "A similarly colored version of Mewtwo was also featured in Pokken Tournament, which is scheduled to release almost a year after Mewtwo.." "It may also have been the inspiration for Shadow Mewtwo in Pokken Tournament, similar to Pit's black costume from ''Brawl'' inspiring the creation of Dark Pit." Etc.
:::::And the simplicity thing isn't exactly true. There are a ton of costume descriptions in here that are way over-complicated. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  17:51, 22 December 2015 (EST)
::::::Ok it's speculative, and it's not notable. Way closer to Shadow Lugia. Also Shadow Mewtwo is black and orange. And he's way different looking. It's not like a Yeti DK case where a Mario vs DK toy totally resembles it post-Smash release. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px orange">'''Smashedpotatoes'''</span>]]  [[User Talk:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:cerulean;text-shadow: 1px 1px 3px cyan">'''(Talk)'''</span>]] 17:54, 22 December 2015 (EST)
:::::::That makes more sense. I still think it resembles him pretty strongly, but whatever. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  17:57, 22 December 2015 (EST)
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