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==zelda?== | ==zelda?== | ||
I don't see why we have a picture that says "Zelda" on it in the Sheik article. --[[User: ycz12|ycz12]] | I don't see why we have a picture that says "Zelda" on it in the Sheik article. --[[User: ycz12|ycz12]] | ||
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==Profile image== | ==Profile image== | ||
{{ImageCaption|File:Sheik Twilight Princess.png|File: | {{ImageCaption|File:Sheik Twilight Princess.png|File:Sheik.png|width1=120x120px|width2=120x120px|caption='''Left Image:''' ''Twilight Princess'' design<br>'''Right Image:''' ''Ocarina of Time'' design}} | ||
Which do you think should be used for her profile default image? I personally think we need to go with her Twilight Princess design for her profile image as its the one that matches her current appearance in smash. Going with her OoT design just densest make sense, since her OoT appearance hasn't been in Smash Bros. since Melee. It creates inconsistency by referring too her OoT appearance as her main profile image when she doesn't even use it in the Smash Bros. games anymore. It's her most current, and most used, design in the Smash series so I feel its a better fit than her one-time OoT appearance.<br>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 18:17, 22 April 2014 (EDT) | Which do you think should be used for her profile default image? I personally think we need to go with her Twilight Princess design for her profile image as its the one that matches her current appearance in smash. Going with her OoT design just densest make sense, since her OoT appearance hasn't been in Smash Bros. since Melee. It creates inconsistency by referring too her OoT appearance as her main profile image when she doesn't even use it in the Smash Bros. games anymore. It's her most current, and most used, design in the Smash series so I feel its a better fit than her one-time OoT appearance.<br>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 18:17, 22 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
:Here's the thing. The "Twilight Princess" artwork was made especially for Brawl. In the main image, we always use a non-Smash image. The "Twilight Princess" image may be newer, but it was only made for Brawl. They didn't make it for Twilight Princess. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color :#ffbf00">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:purple">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 19:39, 22 April 2014 (EDT) | :Here's the thing. The "Twilight Princess" artwork was made especially for Brawl. In the main image, we always use a non-Smash image. The "Twilight Princess" image may be newer, but it was only made for Brawl. They didn't make it for Twilight Princess. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color :#ffbf00">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:purple">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 19:39, 22 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
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:::These articles are only summaries of the character in their series. And the articles are relevant since Sheik is in Smash, and since she's in Smash it makes sense to have an article that is about her canon appearance in the Zelda games (not in depth like Zelda Wiki, but a brief summary of the character). And since this is about her appearance in the Zelda games and not Smash, as Red and I have stated, the image should reflect the game(s) she's actually appeared in regardless of conceptual designs. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 20:23, 13 June 2014 (EDT) | :::These articles are only summaries of the character in their series. And the articles are relevant since Sheik is in Smash, and since she's in Smash it makes sense to have an article that is about her canon appearance in the Zelda games (not in depth like Zelda Wiki, but a brief summary of the character). And since this is about her appearance in the Zelda games and not Smash, as Red and I have stated, the image should reflect the game(s) she's actually appeared in regardless of conceptual designs. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 20:23, 13 June 2014 (EDT) | ||
::::Actually, these articles are not summaries of the characters in their series. They are summaries of the fighters in the Smash series as a whole. You don't read about Sheik's role in Ocarana of Time. You see sections about Melee, Brawl and SSB4. Pages like Sheik (SSBB) are subpages that have more detailed info and data about the playable fighter in that game. If it was about Sheik's role in Ocarana of Time, it wouldn't belong here. You can find that page at Zelda Wiki. Anyway, I think I might have something to do with it. I did you guys to replace the Villager picture that show his artwork from New Leaf with the one from City Folk that resembles more like his Smash appearance. I think because of that change, we got this problem. There seems to be a reason why we use the artwork from their series. It's not because it's an article about the character as he/she appears in his/her own series, but so that they don't share the same profile pic as their recent fighter subpage. And I do think that each general character page should use the artwork that's the closest to Smash. However, in my opinion, concept artwork of a an appearance that didn't happen isn't a great choice of profile pic. Sure, the OoT pic is missing a few bandages, and Sakurai based her appearance on concept art. But I prefer the Oot artwork. I'm on Ixbran's side about having the artwork of characters closer to their Smash design, but I'm also on Chuck's side of not using concept artwork of a cancelled appearance. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 23:42, 13 June 2014 (EDT) | ::::Actually, these articles are not summaries of the characters in their series. They are summaries of the fighters in the Smash series as a whole. You don't read about Sheik's role in Ocarana of Time. You see sections about Melee, Brawl and SSB4. Pages like Sheik (SSBB) are subpages that have more detailed info and data about the playable fighter in that game. If it was about Sheik's role in Ocarana of Time, it wouldn't belong here. You can find that page at Zelda Wiki. Anyway, I think I might have something to do with it. I did you guys to replace the Villager picture that show his artwork from New Leaf with the one from City Folk that resembles more like his Smash appearance. I think because of that change, we got this problem. There seems to be a reason why we use the artwork from their series. It's not because it's an article about the character as he/she appears in his/her own series, but so that they don't share the same profile pic as their recent fighter subpage. And I do think that each general character page should use the artwork that's the closest to Smash. However, in my opinion, concept artwork of a an appearance that didn't happen isn't a great choice of profile pic. Sure, the OoT pic is missing a few bandages, and Sakurai based her appearance on concept art. But I prefer the Oot artwork. I'm on Ixbran's side about having the artwork of characters closer to their Smash design, but I'm also on Chuck's side of not using concept artwork of a cancelled appearance. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 23:42, 13 June 2014 (EDT) | ||
:::::"''You don't read about Sheik's role in Ocarana of Time.''" | |||
:::::Character description section? Summarizes her role in OoT pretty well. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 00:07, 14 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::::''"Actually, these articles are not summaries of the characters in their series. They are summaries of the fighters in the Smash series as a whole."'' | |||
::::::By that logic, we wouldn't need the [[Dr. Mario]] or [[Roy]] pages, and just use the Melee pages. {{s|user|Red}} ([[User talk:Red|talk]]) [[File:RedSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/Red|Red]] 15:41, 14 June 2014 (EDT)<br> | |||
(resetting indent) In addition it says on every page "''For fighter info, see NAME (X).''". This implies that this page is '''not'' for Smash info. {{s|user|Red}} ([[User talk:Red|talk]]) [[File:RedSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/Red|Red]] 15:46, 14 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Okay, so they have a little background information. But if they have nothing about Smash Bros, they'd be candidates for deletion. But they are pretty much half their series and half Smash. And at least their background information isn't as detailed here as they are on the appropriate NIWA wiki. If I was the one who created this site, I would either have their game info in one big article or make these pages disambiguations. However, as this was the way it was since our Wikia days and I've already grown to like it and accepted it as a staple of Smash Wiki, I'm not going to propose anything. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 23:45, 14 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Artwork Take Two == | |||
Okay, since the other argument is over a year old, I'm going to bring this back up and hopefully it can be resolved quicker. | |||
I don't like the idea of using Sheik's TP concept art in her infobox. While, yes, it does match her Brawl and Smash 4 designs, it's not official artwork and it feels weird to use it as a result. So I think we need to switch it out with her actual ''artwork'' from OoT. | |||
I'm going to use [[Captain Falcon]] and [[Fox McCloud]] as support for my side of the argument, because neither of them have artwork from their home series that matches their appearances in Brawl/SSB4, so they use the closest thing (in Falcon's case, his most recent artwork; in Fox's case, Command). Sheik has no artwork for her TP appearance (because it doesn't exist), only concept art, which is nothing more than a doodle and is in no way official. She ''does'' have artwork for OoT, and it's even the basis of her appearance in Melee, so, like Falcon using his most recent artwork when he doesn't have any that matches his most recent appearance, Sheik should too (ignoring HW which just doesn't match anything at all). <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:Nutta Butta|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small> 14:23, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Continuing that point, [[Falco Lombardi|Falco]]'s artwork is not only Command as well, but his SF643D artwork is the one image in his gallery, noting the similarities between it and his redesign in Melee. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 14:35, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::The Star Fox characters are explicitly "composite" designs that blend elements from multiple games and original elements. Brawl/SSB4 Sheik is [http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/characters/sheik.html explicitly based] on that exact TP concept art. We'd be remiss to exclude it. Besides, it was [http://www.glitterberri.com/hyrule-historia/page-174/ included] in Hyrule Historia, which makes it "official" in a pretty clear way. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:45, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Wasn't there a layout that had [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Sheik&oldid=590008 Sheik's OoT artwork as default and TP on the side]? [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 14:57, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::Contradicts how we have it on every other page (or should have it): most recent design's origin in the infobox, any other important past design on the side. That's how we have it for [[Link]], [[Princess Zelda]], and [[Ganondorf]], among others: TP design used for Brawl/SSB4 in the infobox, OoT design used for 64/Melee on the side. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:00, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::Smash 4 Sheik arguably has a resemblance to OoT Sheik. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 15:02, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::SSB4 Sheik is the same as the Brawl design (ponytail, dagger, etc.) and the Brawl design is confirmed by Sakurai to be based on TP concept art, which was officially published in a book by Nintendo. I don't see what the problem is here. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:05, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
<small>(Reset indent) </small> It's Nutta's argument, not mine...I'm just jumping on because I have similar thoughts and opinions. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 15:06, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Hyrule Historia using it ''as concept art'' in no way makes it official- it's still a doodle that's only intended to should what it ''could'' be. That's different from the promotional artwork that we use on every other character's page (excluding [[Lucas]]/[[Ice Climbers]]/[[Duck Hunt]], who have no promotional art, so we use sprites), so it's also a consistency problem. And I'm not saying we should remove it- it should definitely be on there somewhere. But I feel like it's more professional to feature the promotional art, and have the conceptual doodle put to the side, like Ocarina Link or SF64 Fox. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:Nutta Butta|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small> 15:26, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::I don't understand why you're dismissively calling it a "doodle", when it's clearly one of the most polished designs in the HH concept art. Also, artwork doesn't have to be "promotional" to be "official", which is what has always been the term I thought we were going with. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:40, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Promotional artwork is artwork released officially by the company to go with and promote the game, and that's official. Concept artwork is artwork created well in advance of the game to show how a character, location, etc. could look in the final game, and is generally only released after the game has been out for awhile as an example of what could have happened. It's not official, it's just an example of the process. All other artwork is generally used in some way or another for promotion, and thus I find it meaningless to separate promotional art from official art. | |||
:::Either way, this is not really a debate about whether or not the concept art is official (which, much like Linkle's HW artwork, Chicken Mario from NSMBW, etc., it really isn't) and more of a debate as to whether or not unofficial art/conceptual art really belongs in an infobox. I don't believe it does. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:Nutta Butta|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small> 15:57, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::I would agree to avoid using concept art in the infobox if it weren't explicitly stated as the source of the Smash design. That's what makes the difference in my mind. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:12, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::Well, but we also have official artwork which is explicitly the source of the Smash design, just not the most recent one, and I think that a good way to avoid the unprofessionalism of using concept art in the infobox while still showing the source of Sheik's design is just to simply trade the images' locations. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:Nutta Butta|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small> 17:21, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::In my mind, it looks worse to have the Sheik page inconsistent with the Link, Zelda and Ganondorf pages than to have a polished piece of concept art in the infobox. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:25, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::::It's inconsistent anyway since it isn't using official artwork while all the others are. I don't see how this is different from [[Toon Link]] not using TP artwork. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:Nutta Butta|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small> 17:29, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::::Because Toon Link doesn't have a TP-based design like the other 4 Zelda characters in Brawl/SSB4? Anyway, I don't think either of us are doing much to convince each other, so I think the right course of action is to hear what other users have to say. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:34, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::Yup, that was going to be my next comment. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:Nutta Butta|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small> 17:37, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::::::This is a concept art no a artwork, this is different. A concept art is before it is put into the final product. A artwork is to promote the final product. Sheik never appears in TP nor in the official promotion.[[User:Jf811|Jf811]] ([[User talk:Jf811|talk]]) 17:59, 29 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
It's now 3-1 in favor of OoT artwork. If no one else disagrees, I'll be changing it by the end of the day. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:DatNuttyKid|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small> 13:38, 30 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Aidan was repeating your argument, not agreeing with it. It's 2-1 and barely anyone has commented. There's no reason to rush it. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:08, 30 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::He said he's jumping on it because he has similar thoughts and opinions, so I'd say unless he says otherwise that's an agreement. 3-1. And it's something as trivial as a picture. There's no need to drag it out. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:DatNuttyKid|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small> 14:10, 30 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::It's not "dragging it out" to want more voices heard total. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:13, 30 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::I say keep the concept art, it is more accurate for Brawl and Sm4ash design, and is of excellent quality. It also is the most "current" one we have since it was in Hyrule Historia. I think it is 3-2 for OoT, too close to make a decision. [[User:DekZek|<font color="Black">'''DekZek, '''</font><font color="Orange">'''The creature of your nightmares'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig-Oct.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 14:25, 30 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::I don't see how it being in Hyrule Historia makes it official. Hyrule Historia also had rather polished artwork of Ganondorf from the Oracle series, but it's not considered official. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:DatNuttyKid|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small> 14:37, 30 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::This whole argument hinges on your definition of "official artwork". You defined it as artwork to "promote the final product", whereas I'm using it in the context of "published in Nintendo-licensed material". Nintendo published Hyrule Historia. As I said, I agree that concept art is usually not preferred because of its rougher nature compared to art used in promotional contexts, but we know for a fact that this is the source and there's no "promotional"-level versions of this art to use instead. So why not use it? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:54, 30 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::::I might agree if there were no alternative (i.e. for Purlo). However, Sheik has artwork that corresponds to her design, even if it is slightly outdated. <small><font color="black">---</font><font color="orange">Preceding unsigned comment added by</font> [[Special:MyPage|<font color="black">BOO</font>]]! <font color="orange">Or maybe</font> [[User:DatNuttyKid|<font color="orange">Nutta.</font>]] </small> 14:56, 30 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
Anyone else? <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 12:50, 3 November 2015 (EST) | |||
Way to kick a horse when its down Nutta, you couldn't just leave it well enough alone could you? I vote '''Keep the TP Artwork'''. It may be concept art work, but its still ''official concept art'' work. Regardless of what the cry babies say, it follows the template of using art work that closely resembles a player characters current Smash design.<br>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 16:15, 14 May 2016 (EDT) | |||
:This topic settled months ago. There was no need to reply to it. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 16:19, 14 May 2016 (EDT) | |||
::My bad, I tend to stop coming to this wiki for set periods of time, so when I checked here I had thought it was still recent. Sorry for that.<br>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 20:47, 24 May 2016 (EDT) | |||
=="Gender dispute"== | |||
Do we really need several paragraphs talking about Sheik's gender? BubzieBobkat brought this up earlier. The whole thing is seriously outdated and kind of makes a mountain out of a molehill, and it's kind of demeaning to have a "gender dispute" be a major part of her character description. Furthermore, it gives an inordinate amount of focus what is/was largely only an issue within stringent parts of the fanbases, and not official info. The section could basically be truncated to "Sheik is occasionally assumed to be male or a male persona of Zelda, but it is the official stance of Nintendo that Sheik is female, just as Zelda is." Or something along those lines. ~ [[User:StrawberryChan|<span style="color: #e68;">'''StrawberryChan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:StrawberryChan|talk]]) 20:43, November 5, 2020 (EST) | |||
:Agreed. Even something like if Meta Knight is the same species as Kirby (which arguably has more modern discussion) is condensed into one sentence on his page. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 21:45, November 5, 2020 (EST) | |||
:I agree as well. It only needs 1, maybe 2 sentences worth of notice. <font face="Trebuchet MS">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 16:50, November 12, 2020 (EST) | |||
::The final paragraph (detailing how ''Ultimate'' uses different pronouns in different instances) may be worth keeping since it's more directly relevant to ''Smash'', but I'm inclined to agree that the rest of it can be condensed. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 17:46, November 12, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::Yeah, that'd be fine in my eyes as well. ~ [[User:StrawberryChan|<span style="color: #e68;">'''StrawberryChan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:StrawberryChan|talk]]) 20:25, November 12, 2020 (EST) | |||
:I take it the long section is because Smash partially resulted in and is embroiled in the debate. That being said, that hardly warrants its own section, let alone several paragraphs, and not on SmashWiki where most of the cited info is hardly relevant. Otherwise, we should do the same thing on Birdo's page, and that just feels dumb. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 18:03, November 12, 2020 (EST) | |||