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{{Proposal}} | {{Proposal|Passed|2=<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 13:20, December 3, 2019 (EST)}} | ||
Apologies if this is out-of-line. This came up in a proposal for something entirely different, and while I was a little hesitant, I figured it would probably be better as its own proposal rather than as a hidden discussion on an only-tangentially-related proposal page. | Apologies if this is out-of-line. This came up in a proposal for something entirely different, and while I was a little hesitant, I figured it would probably be better as its own proposal rather than as a hidden discussion on an only-tangentially-related proposal page. | ||
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These sections could also let us provide more general notes on individual Spirit battles - which could be useful, as sometimes not all of the rules and conditions are listed on the ingame spirit battle screen. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 17:22, July 31, 2019 (EDT) | These sections could also let us provide more general notes on individual Spirit battles - which could be useful, as sometimes not all of the rules and conditions are listed on the ingame spirit battle screen. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 17:22, July 31, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:'''Oppose''' this is a wiki oriented around Smash; things like that belong in the trivia section. Also, [[SmashWiki:What SmashWiki is not#SmashWiki is not a strategy guide|SmashWiki is not a strategy guide]]. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 17:45, July 31, 2019 (EDT) | :'''Oppose''' this is a wiki oriented around Smash; things like that belong in the trivia section. Also, [[SmashWiki:What SmashWiki is not#SmashWiki is not a strategy guide|SmashWiki is not a strategy guide]]. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 17:45, July 31, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:'''Partial oppose''' I oppose everything except the example with Yoshi's colors in the Eevee battle; we already have stuff like that for minion fighters, but not for the main fighters (e.g. Hero's Comrades spirit battle, where we have, for example, that Robin represents Veronica, but since Ike is the main fighter, we don't have that he represents Hendrik). [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 15:33, September 14, 2019 (EDT) | ::'''Support''' Wouldn't the inspiration column pretty much work like the trivia selection though? It's pretty much just a renamed version of it. Maybe it should be called Trivia instead of Inspiration though. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|An Adventurer draws near!]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 09:51, September 25, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:<s>'''Partial oppose''' I oppose everything except the example with Yoshi's colors in the Eevee battle; we already have stuff like that for minion fighters, but not for the main fighters (e.g. Hero's Comrades spirit battle, where we have, for example, that Robin represents Veronica, but since Ike is the main fighter, we don't have that he represents Hendrik). Also, this would only be needed for spirits that don't have the name of the character they represent in it or for Spirits with only 1 enemy fighter. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 15:33, September 14, 2019 (EDT)</s> | |||
::Well, the thing about that is - it seems like the consensus is that those sections on the fighter pages should be removed. So the only information there that can't be found anywhere else is what the minions represent. I figured, while we were moving the section, we may as well increase the scope and talk about the inspiration behind it - so the section wouldn't necessarily need to talk just about who the puppet fighters are supposed to be, it could also talk about what the rules and conditions are meant to represent. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 11:06, September 18, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::To be honest, I '''fully support''' this—if not on the fighter pages, then on the "List of spirits" pages. We're a wiki, and it's kind of our job to explain the details and references in ''Smash'', isn't it? The Spirit sections feel very barren right now with it all just being raw statistics, and I'd like to see more full-fledged explanations since it'd be useful info. (For instance, the Dark Matter spirit battle is a direct recreation of ''Kirby's Dream Land 2''{{'}}s final boss, which is an important detail that's glossed over in our current format.) This isn't pedantic trivia or a strategy guide; it's useful information to understanding what's going on in each battle. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 22:34, September 18, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::: I '''fully support''' as well. We're a wiki, and you really can't find Spirit Battle origins anywhere on the internet where's it's accurate, and it's been almost a year since Ultimate came out. We'll need a lot of knowledge on these games but I think we can manage it. It'll be real slow getting all of them though. [[User:SandwitchZebra|SandwitchZebra]] ([[User talk:SandwitchZebra|talk]]) 21:25, November 1, 2019 (EDT) | |||
While I participated in completing that column, I still '''oppose''' it: It's purely speculative and it's going to lead to contributors endlessly arguing back and forth about it with nothing but their own opinion to back up their claims. I think the known inspirations only (known throught official statements) should be listed as trivia points. Plus it also clutters the list. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 12:13, November 29, 2019 (EST) | |||
:If contributors are arguing back and forth about speculative inspiration, then that's something that could be taken to the talk page and settled by other contributors agreeing/disagreeing with their arguments, similar to how "alternate costume inspirations" are currently handled. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 12:45, November 29, 2019 (EST) | |||
::I hear you, but a wiki is supposed to be informative and not speculative. The "inspiration" column is unsourced, and even if the contributors (who probably aren't nemerous enough to be representative of the whole Smash community anyway) reach a concensus, the "information" will still not be guaranteed to be true. I would argue that the "alternate costume inspirations" is a mistake too for the same reason. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 13:17, November 29, 2019 (EST) | |||
:::A good majority of these references aren't really speculative; it's kind of easy to identify what the battle is talking about. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 13:41, November 29, 2019 (EST) | |||
::::I can see what you mean, especially with regards to alternate costumes (because people tend to draw unfounded connections just to say something is a reference), but in the case of spirit battles inspirations I don't think it's that bad. There hasn't really been much disagreement over the conclusions drawn because they mostly rely on official, easily-accessible information, and it's preferable in my eyes to detail the inspirations behind them rather than leaving out major details like this. If it leads to in-fighting in the future, I might change my mind, but it seems to be moving without issue so far. I guess the question is ultimately whether we should document unofficial info if it's important enough to note, which is an on-going issue with wikis in general. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 14:04, November 29, 2019 (EST) | |||
I support this. Maybe SuperSmashTurtles could help out. [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 23:14, September 18, 2019 (EDT) | |||
full support! [[File:MarthHeadRedSSBMythfhgghf.png]] [[User:Thomasgamer4000|Thomasgamer4000]] still has no DLC 12:26, October 7, 2019 (EDT) | |||
I '''support''' the addition of source inspiration to spirit battles. God/Sakurai knows I didn't understand half of them. [[User:Mega Mario Man|Mega Mario Man]] ([[User talk:Mega Mario Man|talk]]) 20:12, October 18, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:I'll be starting on this soon, but for now I created a [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=SmashWiki:Sandbox&diff=1318578&oldid=1315663 Sandbox entry] to demonstrate what it would look like. Any comments on this before I properly implement it? ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 21:09, November 8, 2019 (EST) | |||
:I see no problem with this. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 13:19, December 3, 2019 (EST) | |||