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We have 2 pics of clawshot; could we get one of hookshot for visual comparison? [[User:Annoying1359|annoying1359]] 02:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC) | We have 2 pics of clawshot; could we get one of hookshot for visual comparison? [[User:Annoying1359|annoying1359]] 02:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
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===Grab (Link)=== | ===Grab (Link)=== | ||
#I'll support this very slightly, though honestly I'd prefer to wait until we see what SSB4 Link is using. Until then, however, this would be acceptable. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:45, 18 May 2013 (EDT) | #<s>I'll support this very slightly, though honestly I'd prefer to wait until we see what SSB4 Link is using. Until then, however, this would be acceptable. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:45, 18 May 2013 (EDT)</s> | ||
#Voting here looks to be futile, but I'm doing it regardless. [[User:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#ff8c00|'''Toast'''}}]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#01a3c4|'''ltimatum'''}}]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 17:51, 20 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
===Hookshot or Clawshot (specify which)=== | ===Hookshot or Clawshot (specify which)=== | ||
#'''Hookshot''' I strongly oppose naming the article "Grab (Link)". Since Boomerang is changed to Gale Boomerang in Brawl, would you guys want to name [[Boomerang]] into "Neutral Special/Side Special (Link)"? [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 15:11, 18 May 2013 (EDT) | #'''Hookshot''' I strongly oppose naming the article "Grab (Link)" or leaving it as it is. Since Boomerang is changed to Gale Boomerang in Brawl, would you guys want to name [[Boomerang]] into "Neutral Special/Side Special (Link)"? [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 15:11, 18 May 2013 (EDT) | ||
#I agree with Ac2k that a deviation in one iteration does not warrant a major renaming scheme, and certainly not a new article. My reasons are slightly elaborated above. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 22:28, 19 May 2013 (EDT) | #'''Hookshot''' I agree with Ac2k that a deviation in one iteration does not warrant a major renaming scheme, and certainly not a new article. My reasons are slightly elaborated above. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 22:28, 19 May 2013 (EDT) | ||
#'''Hookshot''' After reflection, I think that b/c Hookshot is more used it should be the name. Like some spy character being named after their once-used alias (i.e. Neal Caffrey would instead be James Maine). Or, what Anon said. --[[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 22:52, 19 May 2013 (EDT) | #<s>'''Hookshot''' After reflection, I think that b/c Hookshot is more used it should be the name. Like some spy character being named after their once-used alias (i.e. Neal Caffrey would instead be James Maine). Or, what Anon said. --[[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 22:52, 19 May 2013 (EDT)</s> | ||
#'''Hookshot''' Link has used the Hookshot more than the Clawshot (Young and Toon Link included), so this is my vote.--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] ([[User talk:Starman125|talk]]) 23:58, 19 May 2013 (EDT) | #'''Hookshot''' Link has used the Hookshot more than the Clawshot (Young and Toon Link included), so this is my vote.--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] ([[User talk:Starman125|talk]]) 23:58, 19 May 2013 (EDT) | ||
#'''Hookshot''': Per above. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 01:03, 20 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
#<s>'''Hookshot''' [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Doctor 09:15, 20 May 2013 (EDT)</s> | |||
#<s>'''Hookshot''' Per Starban. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 07:56, 21 September 2013 (EDT)</s> | |||
===Delete/merge | ===Delete/merge=== | ||
#'''Delete, redirect''' Can be reduced to a single paragraph on the [[grab air]] page. Same with [[Grapple Beam]] and [[Rope Snake]]. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Researcher 00:00, 20 May 2013 (EDT) | #'''Delete, redirect''' Can be reduced to a single paragraph on the [[grab air]] page. Same with [[Grapple Beam]] and [[Rope Snake]]. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Researcher 00:00, 20 May 2013 (EDT) | ||
===Leave as is=== | |||
#'''No action'''. We can afford to wait until SSB4 and make a judgment then. This page title is not a problem at the moment. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 03:54, 20 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
#'''No action''' Well, now Link is confirmed to have the Clawshot in SSB4, but it's highly likely the Hookshot will still be used by Toon Link. I honestly think we should just leave it, the name may not sound good, but really, it's just the title of the article. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 11:41, 5 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
#'''No action''' Meh, we have two games where it is a Hookshot and two games where it is a Clawshot. As long as it is able to cover both information about them, I'm fine with the rather awkward title. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font><font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The 90's 13:22, 5 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
#'''No action''' We know the Clawshot is used in two games and the Hookshot is used in two games. We can merely keep this article's name and DISPLAYTITLE Hookshot/Clawshot. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 19:58, 5 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
#'''No action''' Per above. <span style="font-family: Sonic XBd BT; font-size: 12pt"> [[User:Conny|<font color="#006b00">Con</font>]][[User talk:Conny|<font color="#6ba500">ny</font>]][[File:Airconny Snake Sig.png|20px]] </span> 10:09, 12 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
===Comments=== | |||
Toomai: The Hookshot and Clawshot page (and the rest of the zairs) contains information about how it is used by skilled players and how it affects the Links' metagame, and is relevant and probably could not be explained in one paragraph. | |||
Miles: Since the release of SSB4 is going to be at least a year away, why not move it to Hookshot now? And if this title is not a problem at the moment, then why have I, and other people, complained about it and left our thoughts on this page? [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 17:04, 20 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
And of course a redirect prevents me from renaming this meself. Admins? [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 08:25, 23 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
I'm probably late, but the example brought up with the Boomerang is not relevant, as "Boomerang" encompasses "Gale Boomerang". The problem here is that neither of Hookshot and Clawshot include the other, if I've understood correctly. - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 05:10, 24 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
Maybe not, but they're virtually the same item, aren't they? [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 10:54, 25 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
So in the vote above, it appears Hookshot had the most votes. Would anyone else like to add their thoughts? [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 07:51, 21 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
Seems I misread. In a few days we need to rename this Hookshot. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 09:36, 21 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
Bump. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 22:30, 24 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
imo, it makes sense to have it be called "hookshot". link in 64, as well as y.link and link in melee and toonlink in brawl ALL use a hookshot. clawshot should be a subsection. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:DJLO|DJLO]] ([[User talk:DJLO|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DJLO|contribs]]) 21:45, 25 September 2013</small> | |||
[[:File:Bumper.jpg|Bump]]. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 03:45, 28 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
While watching the reveal of {{SSB4|Sonic}}, I saw that Link uses the Clawshot in SSB4. How does this affect things? [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 12:01, 1 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I'm guessing Toon Link will use the Hookshot, but it looks like Smash will be sticking mostly with Clawshot, and it appears more prominent now, so I will propose renaming to Clawshot instead. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 16:44, 1 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
Well great. Now this gets even more convoluted. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 11:07, 5 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
@People saying "No action": Compare this to naming an article title as "Boomerang and Gale Boomerang". [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 13:16, 5 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
:Except those two names are close enough for the article to just be called "Boomerang". "Hookshot" and "Clawshot" clearly aren't. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 13:26, 5 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
::Hookshot and Clawshot are just as similar. They both end in "shot" and the first part is changed based on the design of the game it originates from. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 19:48, 5 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::Oh come on, Gale Boomerang is just Boomerang with an extra four letter word on the front. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 03:53, 6 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
@RoyboyX: How is Hookshot/Clawshot an improvement over the current title? And the title should be based on prominence in the series, not on how many games it has been in. Clawshot looks to be the more prominent version. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:14, 5 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
@Everyone: The Hookshot is used in at least three games, and possibly a fourth, while Clawshot is used in two. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:17, 5 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
:Can you name those non-SSB games? [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 00:09, 6 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
::Hookshot is used by Link in Smash 64 and Melee, and by Toon Link in Brawl and Smash 4. Link uses the Clawshot in Brawl and smash 4. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 08:54, 6 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::Exactly how is that more prominent? By the way you've worded it it sounds like ''Hookshot'' is the more prominent. | |||
::::Well Link has switched to the Clawshot now, and he's the more prominent Link in the series; the more popular Link and the developers probably are more interested in Link, since people are complaining about how there are two Links and Toon Link is disliked a lot in the community. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 13:42, 6 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::::While the Clawshot is becoming more prominent, saying "Toon Link is disliked a lot in the community" is irrelevant because the mainspace shouldn't have opinions like that. I'm still supporting no action, as naming it just Clawshot could confuse some people into thinking the Hookshot isn't used in the series anymore. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 13:45, 6 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
::::::When did I say that the article would say anything about how Toon Link is disliked in the community? That was my reason for naming the article Clawshot, and because Link is much more prominent in the Smash series, and even individual games. I also don't understand how anyone would get confused that Hookshot isn't used in the series anymore. The article would also say, "The Hookshot is very similar but is used by Link in Smash 64 and Melee, Young Link, Toon Link in Brawl and Smash 4". [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 15:00, 6 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
Bump. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 23:58, 8 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
1-4-1-5, '''No action''' has the most votes. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 10:15, 12 October 2013 (EDT) | |||