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==A 0 vote rule== | ==A 0 vote rule== | ||
If they post something below or above the <-DO NOT blah blah blah-> when it tells them not to, make it a 0 count. I'm sick of it. Who can't read that? If you're blind, you can't find this place, let alone vote.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 22:18, 14 November 2010 (EST) | If they post something below or above the <-DO NOT blah blah blah-> when it tells them not to, make it a 0 count. I'm sick of it. Who can't read that? If you're blind, you can't find this place, let alone vote.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 22:18, 14 November 2010 (EST) | ||
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I'm glad he's finally lost one. I love the guy as much as anyone, but it's just unfair with him winning every single match in the SA. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 20:08, 20 December 2010 (EST) | I'm glad he's finally lost one. I love the guy as much as anyone, but it's just unfair with him winning every single match in the SA. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 20:08, 20 December 2010 (EST) | ||
:When?????[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 05:25, 4 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
== IP spamming == | == IP spamming == | ||
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:Redirect the page to avoid the spamming. Better to take a little more time to keep the Wiki "clean" so to speak.<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 10:12, 28 December 2010 (EST) | :Redirect the page to avoid the spamming. Better to take a little more time to keep the Wiki "clean" so to speak.<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 10:12, 28 December 2010 (EST) | ||
:The DKWiki had a similar vandal attack: | :The DKWiki had a similar vandal attack: | ||
:*[http://www. | :*[http://www.dkwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum:Index&action=history Exhibit A] | ||
:*[http://www. | :*[http://www.dkwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum_talk:Index&action=edit&redlink=1 Exhibit B] | ||
:*[http://www. | :*[http://www.dkwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum:Help_desk&action=history Exhibit C] | ||
:This guy must be spreading out. As far as I can tell he's done with DKWiki. But he makes proxies. Either way we link the main page, we're under attack. We just need to revert, protect and block (in that order). ''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:DeepSkyBlue ;">havoC--</span>]]'' 11:09, 28 December 2010 (EST) | :This guy must be spreading out. As far as I can tell he's done with DKWiki. But he makes proxies. Either way we link the main page, we're under attack. We just need to revert, protect and block (in that order). ''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:DeepSkyBlue ;">havoC--</span>]]'' 11:09, 28 December 2010 (EST) | ||
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::But what if you type date/time after it?--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] '''[[Special:Contributions/Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:green">The</span>]]''' '''[[Special:Editcount/Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:red">best!</span>]]''' 09:07, 22 May 2011 (EDT) | ::But what if you type date/time after it?--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] '''[[Special:Contributions/Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:green">The</span>]]''' '''[[Special:Editcount/Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:red">best!</span>]]''' 09:07, 22 May 2011 (EDT) | ||
:::Technically, typing your signature manually can be done, but if it not done correctly, they are still liable for not signing properly. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:14, 22 May 2011 (EDT) | :::Technically, typing your signature manually can be done, but if it not done correctly, they are still liable for not signing properly. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:14, 22 May 2011 (EDT) | ||
How do I vote? - [[User:Hoverwind2|Hoverwind2]] At your service dude! [[Image:SonicHead{{#if:SSBB|SSBB}}.png|16px|link=Sonic (SSBB)]] 22:29, 21 February 2012 (EST) | |||
:To vote, go to [[Forum:Smash Arena#The Rules|the Smash Arena]] and familiarize yourself with the rules. After you have read them, click edit. Scroll down to the section that says <nowiki>===Votes for ''X''===</nowiki> or <nowiki>===Votes for ''Y''===</nowiki>. After deciding which one you wish to vote for, scroll to the bottom of the section, right before the line that says <nowiki><!-- DO NOT ADD COMMENTS OR EDIT ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!!! --></nowiki>. Add a new line above the aforementioned line, and then add a #. Type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign, and add any comments if you so desire. If you do not do this correctly, namely, you do not add a # before your vote, you do not add <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign your vote, or you add a comment or edit below the line that reads <nowiki><!-- DO NOT ADD COMMENTS OR EDIT ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!!! --></nowiki>, you have a short amount of time to rectify your error before your vote is devalued and counted as half a vote. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 18:44, 19 January 2012 (EST) | |||
== Half votes == | == Half votes == | ||
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The intent of re-introducing half-votes was to provide a system of punishment for voting incorrectly. Therefore, I'm not sure how I feel about the concept of basically opening half-votes up as an intentional option; it breaks the duality of "good votes are 1.0, bad votes are 0.5" and adds an additional level of complexity for voters. I'd like to hear a few other peoples' opinions. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Irrepressible 21:20, 29 May 2011 (EDT) | The intent of re-introducing half-votes was to provide a system of punishment for voting incorrectly. Therefore, I'm not sure how I feel about the concept of basically opening half-votes up as an intentional option; it breaks the duality of "good votes are 1.0, bad votes are 0.5" and adds an additional level of complexity for voters. I'd like to hear a few other peoples' opinions. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Irrepressible 21:20, 29 May 2011 (EDT) | ||
:tbqh, is there a need for a user to make a half-vote intentionally? Even if you like something only slightly better, you should still cast a whole vote for it. Eh. I really don't care. [[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="red">'''Doc'''</font>]][[User Talk: Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#ff2400">'''tor'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="orange">'''Pain'''</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="yellow">'''99'''</font>]] [[file:DoctorPain99.png|19px]] 21:25, 29 May 2011 (EDT) | :tbqh, is there a need for a user to make a half-vote intentionally? Even if you like something only slightly better, you should still cast a whole vote for it. <del>Eh. I really don't care.</del> <ins>Actually, I decided I do. In a presidential election, can you cast a half vote? No. If you like two candidates about the same, you have to cast an entire vote for one or don't vote at all. Also read what Piratehunter said.</ins> [[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="red">'''Doc'''</font>]][[User Talk: Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#ff2400">'''tor'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="orange">'''Pain'''</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="yellow">'''99'''</font>]] [[file:DoctorPain99.png|19px]] 21:25, 29 May 2011 (EDT) | ||
::I agree with DP, to an extent. Back on Wikitroid I went ape on people for voting on RfAs with positions such as "slightly disagree" and "disagree with RfA as written". I even blocked a couple people. Bottom line is, when you start allowing things other than '''Agree''', '''Neutral''', and '''Oppose''', it is going to get chaotic. and You need the situation to remain in a way that can be seen and understood at a glance. --[[User:Piratehunter|<span style="font-family:times new roman; font-size:12pt"><font color="Black">Pιʀaτзнυητзʀ</font></span>]] ([[User talk:Piratehunter|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Piratehunter|Contribs]]) 21:27, 29 May 2011 (EDT) | ::I agree with DP, to an extent. Back on Wikitroid I went ape on people for voting on RfAs with positions such as "slightly disagree" and "disagree with RfA as written". I even blocked a couple people. Bottom line is, when you start allowing things other than '''Agree''', '''Neutral''', and '''Oppose''', it is going to get chaotic. and You need the situation to remain in a way that can be seen and understood at a glance. --[[User:Piratehunter|<span style="font-family:times new roman; font-size:12pt"><font color="Black">Pιʀaτзнυητзʀ</font></span>]] ([[User talk:Piratehunter|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Piratehunter|Contribs]]) 21:27, 29 May 2011 (EDT) | ||
:::IRC discussion on this has caused me to change my mind. Saying "half vote" still means the voter supports one over the other, making it equal to a real vote. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 21:44, 29 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
The Smash Arena and the presidential are two different things of vastly different scales; the former is a mere popularity contest on a Wiki with its outcome having no tangible results what so ever, while the latter is an election determines the leader of the country for the next four years. Comparing it to the presidential election is a bit much. Also keep in mind the presidential election has no "half vote" of any sort, so you really can't compare this situation in the Smash Arena to that. | |||
Half votes still operates as a system of punishment to those who vote incorrectly, as the situation where someone wants their vote to count as a half vote is rare (this is the first instance I recall of someone intentionally putting their vote in the half votes while voting correctly). With about 99% of voters intending their votes to be full votes, I believe adjusting the rule to where the strict lettering does not forbid intentional correct half votes would not affect the flow/complexity of the Smash Arena at all. It's not like we're going to start up "quarter votes" or see a surge of people putting their votes in half votes. | |||
In the instance where someone votes incorrectly in half votes, simply discount their vote all together, this is simple, right? | |||
Also two things to keep in mind, what harm/disruption does it do to the Smash Arena with someone correctly putting their vote in the half vote section? And people can still technically vote in half votes intentionally by incorrectly voting in the normal vote area. So for these people, do we encourage them to place their vote incorrectly, where someone else will have to manually fix it, or let them place their vote in half votes, where the Smash Arena still flows perfectly fine? | |||
The Smash Arena was made to be a thing of amusement to the users of the SmashWiki, why is it necessary to restrict them from wanting their vote be a half vote? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:55, 29 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
:The "amusement" you speak of is brought by the ''results'' and the mere act of sharing one's opinion. The problem therein lies with not having a set principle as to how voting occurs. If you are to allow percentage-based votes such as %49.9999 Yes, then you are opening a floodgate that would make counting the ballots nearly impossible, or at least irrationally difficult. This is why you set simple positions to vote with such as: '''Agree''' for people who agree with whatever, '''Disagree''' for those who disagree, and '''Neutral''' for those whom either cannot decide or are merely stating that they will change to one of the logical positions pending the finale of the voting process. You are going to end up opening a bureaucratic mess with greater-quantum voting >_> --[[User:Piratehunter|<span style="font-family:times new roman; font-size:12pt"><font color="Black">Pιʀaτзнυητзʀ</font></span>]] ([[User talk:Piratehunter|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Piratehunter|Contribs]]) 22:03, 29 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
::The available options are vote for option A or B, and half vote for option A or B, with the vote value being 1 and 0.5 respectively. This isn't complicated mathematics and won't lead to an irrationally difficult ballot to figure out (surely those handling the ballot could solve this math in their head). | |||
::Keep in mind half votes already exist, so by not forbidding "good votes" to be placed in there for a few who may want to, we're not adding another level of complexity when that level already exists, especially when the vast majority of the users aren't going to place their votes in there anyway. | |||
::And for one more thing, how are we going to punish "good votes" placed intentionally in half votes? Move them to full votes? While it may not be what the voter intended, it's not really a punishment in terms of the vote value. Or would we instead discount such votes all together? Doing the latter would give them a harsher punishment than the lazy who vote incorrectly, who of which are actually disruptive to the Smash Arena and create unnecessary work for others, unlike those who placed correctly done votes in half votes. | |||
::As for my proposal, we just amend rule 10 to where its lettering does not forbid correct votes being placed in half votes. We're not adding another vote option, we aren't going to add "quarter votes" or other vote options with complicated decimal values. In the end, we will have plain old 1.0 votes where the vast majority of votes go, and the half votes where bad votes go, as well as the votes of the few who feel their votes should be half votes for whatever reason. The option already exists, why would it disrupt the Smash Arena/SmashWiki to allow intentional votes there, and why create unnecessary extra work for the userbase when there are going to people out there who will break the rules to intentionally vote in this option? | |||
::If votes must be either worth 1 or 0, than remove the half vote option all together, and instead make all incorrect votes worth 0. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:38, 29 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::My point has been made. --[[User:Piratehunter|<span style="font-family:times new roman; font-size:12pt"><font color="Black">Pιʀaτзнυητзʀ</font></span>]] ([[User talk:Piratehunter|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Piratehunter|Contribs]]) 22:44, 29 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
Bump <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:53, 2 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
I've decided to make intentional half-votes legal, but to explain in the rule why it is very heavily discouraged. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Superlative 09:51, 4 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Name and description == | |||
I propose a change of name and description of the forum. The description currently states: "Each week this forum hosts a tussle between two '''characters''' from the Super Smash Bros. series!" We currently have a stage battle and we also have items and game battles. We need a different name as it only makes it seem that characters are in it. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 05:55, 22 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
:We can simply call it "Forum:The Smash Arena". '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|{ROLLBACKER}]]</small> 10:23, 22 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Agreed. I like that name! But what would we do with [[Forum: Smash Arena|Smash Arena (not here)?]]--[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 10:31, 22 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::Maybe just remove the "Character" part of the title. The Smash Arena Battles will be fine enough. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 11:31, 22 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::BUMP. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 13:24, 27 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Can't we just call it the Smash Arena? == | |||
They aren't battles, they're contests, and since stages are legible as contenders, that sort of undermines the "character" part. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 17:08, 11 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Agree. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''ZoOm!'' 17:12, 11 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Bump. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 23:09, 12 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Agree. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 23:19, 12 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
I agree with the sentiment. However, we already have a page called [[Forum:Smash Arena]]. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:20, 12 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Since no one edits that page like a regular forum, I propose that it be moved to ''SmashWiki:Smash Arena'', so that the name isn't taken for this forum. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 23:45, 12 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
::I agree. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|I'll take a that hot dog]] [[File:PikachuHeadSSBB.png|19px]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Super]] 00:03, 13 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
::I agree with the forum thing as well. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Game Boy Camera'' 00:19, 13 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::Looks like there's consensus. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 15:22, 13 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::... <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 02:55, 18 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Wtf? == | |||
[[Special:Contributions/76.180.167.205|A IP]] voted twice. What now?--'''''<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:PSIWolf|<span style="color:gold">P</span><span style="color:orange">S</span><span style="color:red">I</span><span style="color:#333333">Wolf</span>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">T</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">C</span>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">E</span>]])</span> 07:22, 14 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:We remove his second vote. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 08:45, 14 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
::read rule #2. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|I'll take a that hot dog]] [[File:PikachuHeadSSBB.png|19px]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Super]] 08:48, 14 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
== New Logo == | |||
It's pretty cool. I like it. --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 15:51, 20 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
== [[SmashWiki:Smash Arena]] == | |||
I think there should be a link on [[Forum:Smash Arena]] that leads to [[SmashWiki:Smash Arena]]. I'm unsure as to how to go about doing that, exactly, so I'm bringing it up here. '''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=blue>Ƌ<font color=#0000DC>o<font color=#0000A5>ӄ<font color=#00006E>ԏ<font color=#000037>o<font color=black>яΠ</font>ɛ</font>ə</font>и</font>9</font>9</font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 17:39, 20 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Just what I was going to say! :P. --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.57.137|107.5.57.137]] 17:40, 20 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
==Mistakes== | |||
There's a few errors in the opening paragraph. In the first line, it mentions things other than characters fighting, but every sentence afterwards just says characters. e.g. No, you don't have to just vote for the '''character''' with the strength and power. More importantly, the paragraph claims anonymous voting is still legal. I'd change this myself, but 3DS Browser limitations would wipe out the rest of the page XD [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font><font color="maroon">'''Ultimatum'''</font>]] [[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|27px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|''<span style="color: silver;">'''Complaints Box'''</span>'']] 17:32, 7 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
==Possible tiebreaker idea?== | |||
I was thinking about possible ways to break ties, and I'm now going to let you think about this one: If one competitor has a higher # of full votes than the other, that competitor wins. What do you think? [[User:MeleeMarth01|MeleeMarth01]] ([[User talk:MeleeMarth01|talk]]) 21:40, 17 November 2011 (EST)[[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|16px]] | |||
:But then what will happen if the full votes are equal? --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.88.135|107.5.88.135]] 10:51, 18 November 2011 (EST) | |||
:In the event that the vote score is tied, but the normal votes and half votes aren't, I say the side with the more half votes wins, as it is more overall votes. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:06, 18 November 2011 (EST) | |||
::I'm thinking about that, too; even though it's a half-vote, it's still at least an '''attemped vote'''. However, they should be taken out of the equation if the half-votes are '''intenional half-votes'''. It would be written like this, for example, if the rule was in Week 10: | |||
::Mewtwo vs. Lucario | |||
::Winner! | |||
::Lucario | |||
::14 '''(15)''' to 14 '''(18)''' | |||
::So now, I've tweaked my idea; instead of more full votes, it's the most overall votes that wins. If that's equal, like Week 45 (Roy vs. Ike), it's a tie; it's just because they are votes nonetheless, even though they only count as one-half a vote. Thanks for commenting. (tilde x4) [[User:MeleeMarth01|MeleeMarth01]] ([[User talk:MeleeMarth01|talk]]) 18:39, 18 November 2011 (EST) | |||
Why are ties a problem? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Emissary 20:57, 18 November 2011 (EST) | |||
:They're impossible in the games (well, for first at least); therefore, it doesn't seem fitting for it to be possible in the arena. '''Minna, miteite kure!''' [[User:MeleeMarth01|MeleeMarth01]] ([[User talk:MeleeMarth01|talk]]) 14:20, 19 November 2011 (EST)[[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|16px]] | |||
:The tie is my favourite outcome, so I say '''oppose'''. Sorry. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 08:31, 21 November 2011 (EST) | |||
How about this. If there is a tie, Toomai will choose which one. This will be the tiebreaker.[[User:Drakon64|Drakon64]] ([[User talk:Drakon64|talk]]) 17:04, 15 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:I actually like that idea, but I'm not sure Toomai does. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font | |||
color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 17:19, 15 December 2011 (EST) | |||
::The idea is interesting. But that will result in 50% of voters being happy and 50% being ripped off - and if any of them were excited for a tie they'll be feeling ripped off too. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Hammer 17:50, 15 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:::You will find that 50% of people will always get mad because their guy didn't win, even if it wasn't you who made the extra vote. This poll has a winner and a loser and who voted for the eventual loser will get mad. Also, sorry for those who crave ties, but if we liked ties happening we wouldn't have this discussion now would we? The choice can also be at random, if you feel you can't choose one over another.[[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]] [[File:CharizardHead.png]] | |||
::::Actually, on average only ~36% of voters are on the losing side, and I highly doubt that all of them "get mad" because their choice lost. I still don't think that ties are a detriment to anything and have yet to see a good reason to get rid of them. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brass 17:41, 16 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:::::I know a way to break ties, make my vote worth two votes in the case of a tie. Clearly my choices are superior, and it would involve no extra work :D <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:44, 16 December 2011 (EST) | |||
::::::You don't even vote every week! Therefore, in the instance of a tie, it should obviously be my vote that should decide the situation ;) [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 18:52, 16 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:::::::Get out of here nonadmin scum! Normal users don't decide how we break ties! <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:55, 16 December 2011 (EST) | |||
::::::::Which is why IP's should get double. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 19:11, 16 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:::::::::IPs obviously should have their vote equal a quarter. They're too lazy to even create an account! <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:14, 16 December 2011 (EST) | |||
::::::::::Actually, we're too lazy to sign in and have accounts with like 3 edits. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 19:45, 16 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:::::::::::I '''Support''' Omega Tyrant's proposal since he agrees with me some 75% of the time in the SA, and he's clearly smarter than everyone else combined. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 19:47, 16 December 2011 | |||
::::::::::If 36% of people are losers, it wouldn't be a tie. Plus due to it's rarity and that people don't get mad according to you, it won't be that big of a deal. Ties aren't in Smash Bros games, so why here? This is a Smash Bros related thing right? I go for Toomai as a tiebreaker.[[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]] [[File:CharizardHead.png]] | |||
:::::::::::I agree with Omega Tyrant. IP's should automatically have their votes worth less to encourage people to create accounts. This would also discourage users/IPs from manipulating the results by using a different IP address to vote 2 or more times. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 21:32, 16 December 2011 (EST) | |||
::::::::::::I was kidding about IPs' votes being worth less. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span | |||
style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:47, 16 December 2011 (EST) | |||
Okay guys settle down a bit. No tiebreaking procedures are planned in the forseeable future; unless I hear a really good argument for it I don't want this discussion cluttering things up. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bomb 22:45, 16 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:My judgment > all. Therefore, my vote should count as two votes in ties. And that's a damn good argument :| <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:47, 16 December 2011 (EST) | |||
Okay Toomai you obviously didn't read my previous comment. It didn't have anything to do with the " who's vote is worth more or less" stuff. I even had one REALLY good point about you being the tiebreaker. Read it please.[[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]] [[File:CharizardHead.png|19px]] | |||
:Your opinion of a good point is clearly different than mine then; the only point I see you make is that there are no ties in the Smash Bros. games, which I think is irrelevant - we don't do things just because the games do. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Victorious 08:42, 17 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:Now to get serious here: Simply, ties aren't seen as an issue in Smash Arena. No one really has a problem with them, and with the Smash Arena having a schedule, initiating a tie breaker will delay that schedule (unless Toomai decides to vote to break ties, but he's so unopinionated, he can't be tasked to do that :p). | |||
:Now, if a tie only occurs because of half votes (i.e., one side would of won and there would be no tie if all its voters voted properly), I think the side that would of won should be credited with the victory (as they did technically get more overall votes). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:11, 17 December 2011 (EST) | |||
I have 2 ideas. One, if there is a user who hasn't voted and is online, ask him to submit a final got worth X votes, and have the Match declared a close tie in favour of Y. Two, have all online members have one said vote, and have the Match declared a close tie in favour of the majority. Three, if 1 and 2 are impossible, then the match is declared a full tie, as NO consensus can be reached. [[User:ScoreCounter|ScoreCounter]] ([[User talk:ScoreCounter|talk]]) 18:42, 11 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Basing a tiebreaker on who's online is simply not fair due to timezones and such. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Victorious 18:48, 11 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
Point Taken.[[User:ScoreCounter|ScoreCounter]] ([[User talk:ScoreCounter|talk]]) 18:52, 11 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
==Tiebreaker or Not?== | |||
OK, there's a lot of different ideas for a resolution of a tie above, yet do we even need them. Let's just settle it this way. If you want there to be a tiebreaker, comment in the '''Support''' section. If you would rather ties stay active, comment in the '''Oppose''' section. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 12:18, 17 December 2011 (EST) | |||
===Support=== | |||
#'''Slight Support''': I personally don't see ties as an issue, but a tiebreaker would keep things a little more interesting. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 12:28, 17 December 2011 (EST) | |||
#'''Support''': I want to see a winner OR a loser. Ties are just weird.[[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]] [[File:CharizardHeadSSBB.png|19px]] | |||
#'''Support''': Per Drakon64. I came up w/a tibreaker idea recently, also, so I'm all for it. [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Minna, miteite edit!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 19:45, 21 December 2011 (EST) | |||
===Oppose=== | |||
# I like the tie, because it gives an option for a formerly losing side to make a turnaround, and simply because of how uncommon it can be. I say keep the tie. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 12:18, 17 December 2011 (EST) | |||
# Whatev. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 16:25, 17 December 2011 (EST) | |||
#Per ToastUltimatum. --[[Special:Contributions/107.5.88.135|107.5.88.135]] 07:29, 18 December 2011 (EST) | |||
#What's so bad about ties? <span style="font-family:Agency FB; font-size:12pt">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="black">'''Blind'''</font>]]</span><span style="font-family: Berlin Sans FB; font-size:12pt">[[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="red">C</font><font color="purple">ol</font>]][[ Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="green">ou</font><font color="seablue">rs</font>]]</span> [[File:Boing.png|50px]] 20:22, 21 December 2011 (EST) | |||
#Per Toast. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 20:51, 21 December 2011 (EST) | |||
===Comments=== | |||
All I'm going to say is this: If Toomai votes it one way, it's gonna be that way. This has me on the edge of my seat (that was sarcastic)... [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Minna, miteite edit!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 19:47, 21 December 2011 (EST) | |||
==Rather Simple== | |||
Can there be a new logo? [[Special:Contributions/141.0.8.141|141.0.8.141]] 09:20, 25 January 2012 (EST) | |||
:There's nothing wrong with having a simple logo. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The SMASH-GINEER 13:44, 25 January 2012 (EST) | |||
==Undecided 0 vs. 0== | |||
Should the score really say 0 vs. 0 when it's undecided? I understand that it would be tedious to update it every time a vote shows up for either side, but still, it's somewhat incorrect to say that the score is zero for both sides. [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 02:05, 6 July 2012 (EDT) | |||
:'''Support''':Right. It's not like the battle started. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 16:48, 7 July 2012 (EDT) | |||
Well, what kind of alternative do you have? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Chronicler 18:02, 7 July 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Just fill the space with this [[File:MatchupUnknown.png|19px]], and say undecided without providing a score at all. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 18:14, 7 July 2012 (EDT) | |||
:We could do what ToastUltimatum suggested, or just not put anything in that space until the match is decided. [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 20:40, 7 July 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Hmm.... == | |||
Tabuu and Meta Knight are switced. Are you going to fix it?--<font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 00:29, 4 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:What do you mean "switched"? If you mean you think MK should be on the left, then no. Subspace members are always on the left of Kirby members. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Xanthic 09:10, 4 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Half vote == | |||
There is an unsigned vote that got away with being a full vote. Who will fix that? <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 17:06, 15 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:You. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:13, 15 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Thanks. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 17:38, 15 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
==Sidebar== | |||
I think we should put either this page or [[SmashWiki:Smash Arena]] in the sidebar, most likely the Participate column. Do you guys agree? [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 08:03, 6 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:I '''oppose''', as it will serve little other purpose other than to make more users vote in the Smash Arena without bothering to edit the mainspace. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:AC.png|19px]] Clever text goes here. 15:07, 6 September 2012 (EDT) | |||