Marth (SSB4): Difference between revisions

**{{buff|Neutral attack has more range, the first hit transitions faster (frame 20 → 17), and the second hit has less startup lag (frame 4 → 3) deals more knockback (20 (base), 50 (scaling) (sourspot), 30/70 (tipper) → 62/75 (both)). The first hit also has altered knockback (20 (base), 50 (scaling) (sourspot), 55/30 (tipper) → 62/75 (both)), sends opponents at a higher trajectory ([[Sakurai angle|361°]] → 78°/65°/90°) and has less ending lag (FAF 28 → 25), allowing for follow-ups and mix-ups.}}

**{{nerf|The first hit of neutral attack has more startup lag and both hits have a shorter duration (frames 4-7 → 5-7 (hit 1), frames 4-8 → 3-5 (hit 2)). The first hit also deals less damage (4%/6% → 3%/5%) and the second hit has more ending lag (FAF 28 → 29). Additionally, their new angles remove their ability to [[jab lock]] removing Marth's most reliable method to lock opponents.}}

**{{buff|Tippered forward tilt deals more knockback (40 (base), 80 (scaling) → 55/85), and has slightly more vertical range. It also has less ending lag (FAF 36 → 34).}}

**{{buff|Forward tilt now has a peculiar property; a move buffered during the end of the animations will start a small step forward than usual, similar to his ''Brawl'' down tilt moving him forward slightly when buffering the repeated attack. Overall, this property can grant any of Marth's moves slightly increased horizontal range.}}

**{{buff|Up tilt has more max reach (6.85u → 8.45u) and has decreased ending lag (FAF 40 → 34). Additionally, all of its hitboxes now produce vertical knockback (110°/361°/85° → 100°/85°), making it more consistent.}}

**{{buff|Up tilt now has a peculiar property; a move buffered during the end of the animations will start a small step forward than usual, similar to his ''Brawl'' down tilt moving him forward slightly when buffering the repeated attack. Overall, this property can grant any of Marth's moves slightly increased horizontal range.}}

**{{nerf|Up tilt deals less damage (8%/9%/10%/12% → 5%/6%/9%) and its knockback was only compensated for the tipper (40 (base), 90 (scaling) → 65/100). The other hitboxes did not have their knockback fully compensated (40/30 (base), 120/118/116 (scaling) → 65/100).}}

**{{change|Down tilt's sourspots with reduced base knockback (25/20 → 40) have been removed although the Z offset of the sourspot (0.4 → 16.7) has been compensated.}}  

**{{nerf|Down tilt has a shorter duration (frames 7-9 → 7-8) and more ending lag (FAF 22 → 24). The sourspot also deals less damage (9%/8% → 7%) and the move's hitboxes are smaller (4.8u/3.36u/3.74u/4.8u → 2.7u/2.7u) giving it less vertical range and no longer covering Marth's head. It also no longer moves Marth forward, removing its ability to pseudo-crawl.}}

**{{nerf|Forward smash has less reach (10.5u → 9.05u), due to a slight animation change, where Marth doesn't step forward as much as before. It also has slightly increased ending lag (FAF 50 → 51) and deals less damage (14%/19% → 13%/18%) although the sourspot's knockback was compensated (60 (base), 70 (scaling) → 55/80).}}

**{{buff|Up smash has a slightly larger hitbox radius overall, giving it slightly more vertical range (8.45u → 10.2u). Both the sourspot and sweetspot have higher knockback scaling (80 (sourspot), 70 (tipper) → 90/95) improving their KO potential especially the tipper.}}

**{{nerf|Up smash has more startup lag with a shorter duration (frames 12-17 → 13-17), increased ending lag (FAF 50 → 58), and sourspotted up smash deals less damage (14% → 13%).}}

**{{buff|Down smash has less ending lag (FAF 65 → 54), and slightly more max range (7.2u → 9.05u). Down smash also has more knockback scaling (70/80 → 88) and the back tipper deals slightly more damage (16% → 17%) improving its KO potential.}}  

**{{nerf|Back hit of down smash deals 1% less damage (13% → 12%) on the sourspot and the front hit deals much less damage (14%/17% → 8%/12%), making it weaker despite its increased knockback scaling. The front hit also has a shorter duration (frames 6-8 → 6-7).}}

**{{buff|Neutral aerial's first hit sourspotted deals 0.5% more damage (3% → 3.5%).}}

**{{buff|Neutral aerial has noticeably more range (6u → 9.45u).}}

**{{nerf|Neutral aerial deals less damage (6% (first hit, tippered), 9%/12% (second hit) → 5%, 7%/9.5%), and the knockback scaling on one of the second hit's sourspot (80 → 90) and the base knockback on the tipper (50 → 60) were not fully compensated while the knockback on the other hitboxes were not compensated at all.}}

**{{buff|As of patch 1.1.4, forward aerial has significantly more range (7.8u → 9.45u), and the tipper hitbox is slightly larger.}}

**{{nerf|Forward aerial has more startup lag with a shorter duration (frames 4-7 → 6-8). Marth can also no longer perform another aerial after a forward aerial in a single short hop due to its increased ending lag (FAF 34 → 38) combined with Marth's higher gravity.}}

**{{nerf|Forward aerial deals less damage (10%/13% → 8%/11.5%), although its knockback scaling has been compensated for the tippered hitbox (80 → 90). However, its sourspot hitboxes did not get fully compensated (70 → 80).}}

**{{buff|Back aerial also has more range (7.4u → 9.45u).}}

**{{nerf|Back aerial deals less damage (11%/14% → 9%/12.5%), although its knockback has been compensated for the tippered hitbox (30 (base), 90 (scaling) → 40/94). However, its sourspot hitboxes did not get their base knockback fully compensated (30 → 40).}}

**{{buff|Up aerial is stronger overall, due to the move having increased knockback scaling across all hitboxes (70 (sourspot), 80 (tipper) → 80/84). It also has slightly more range (7.9u → 8.45u). }}

**{{nerf|Up aerial is harder to sweetspot due to the tipper hitbox having the lowest priority (ID# 0 → 3). The tipper hitbox is also smaller (4.8u → 3.5u) and both hitboxes have less combo potential at lower percents due to up aerial's higher landing lag.}}

**{{nerf|Up aerial has increased landing lag (9 frames → 14).}}

**{{nerf|Up aerial's sourspot deals less damage (10% → 9.5%).}}

**{{change|Down aerial tipper no longer meteor smashes and now launches horizontally, making the 1 frame hitbox in the middle of the swing only meteor smash. As such, it is harder to meteor smash opponents as the meteor smash has a shorter duration (frames 6-9 → 11), but the tipper's new horizontal knockback improves its KO ability on stage if the meteor smash hitbox is missed.}}

**{{buff|Down aerial's [[meteor smash]] hitbox deals 1% more damage (14% → 15%) and has a higher priority (ID# 2/3 → 0), making it easier to land (although this is negated by the aforementioned change). The move also has much more overall range (7.16u → 8.45u) and a longer duration (frames 6-9 → 9-13). The removal of [[meteor canceling]] also improves the meteor hitbox's edgeguarding potential.}}

**{{nerf|Marth now starts down aerial from the back instead of his front, essentially flipping its animation around from ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', and giving the move more startup (frame 6 → 9 (normal) 11 (meteor)). The tipper and meteor smash hitbox also have less base knockback (40 → 20) hindering its KO and edgeguarding potential despite the meteor hitbox's higher damage. Combined with its worse auto-cancel window, these changes hurt his ability to approach with his down aerial, and drastically worsen the move's overall utility notably; Marth can no longer land the meteor hitbox out of a [[footstool]].}}