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:We appreciate the thought, but this is [[SW:TALK|improper use of a talk page]]. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 22:39, 8 March 2018 (EST) | :We appreciate the thought, but this is [[SW:TALK|improper use of a talk page]]. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 22:39, 8 March 2018 (EST) | ||
There is no evident proof that it is completely new. It could be an "enhanced port" which could be considered a "half-sequel". So please calm down. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Yagamilite|Yagamilite]] ([[User talk:Yagamilite|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yagamilite|contribs]]) 23:57, 13 March 2018</small> | There is no evident proof that it is completely new. It could be an "enhanced port" which could be considered a "half-sequel". So please calm down. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Yagamilite|Yagamilite]] ([[User talk:Yagamilite|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yagamilite|contribs]]) 23:57, 13 March 2018</small> | ||
its true. its a new game. | |||
== "whether this is a new title or a port of a previous game is unknown" == | == "whether this is a new title or a port of a previous game is unknown" == | ||
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:There's so much rumors and speculation right now. And there is evidence on both sides for whether or not this is a port of SSB4. So until we have a concrete answer, which will be during E3, we should leave up "whether this is a new title or port" <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:190.86.161.78|190.86.161.78]] ([[User talk:190.86.161.78|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/190.86.161.78|contribs]]) 02:27, 18 March 2018 (EDT)</small> | :There's so much rumors and speculation right now. And there is evidence on both sides for whether or not this is a port of SSB4. So until we have a concrete answer, which will be during E3, we should leave up "whether this is a new title or port" <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:190.86.161.78|190.86.161.78]] ([[User talk:190.86.161.78|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/190.86.161.78|contribs]]) 02:27, 18 March 2018 (EDT)</small> | ||
Well... the latest earnings report from the investors meeting earlier this morning might have confirmed that this Smash is indeed declared- by the higher-ups, once and for all- to be a all new entry and NOT a goddamn port of Smash 4! Get my drift, boi? [[User: SonicTeamz90210|<span style="color: grey">'''Rexson'''</span>]] 18:44, 26 April 2018 (BST) | |||
^well, don't be disappointed if you're wrong... [[User:Yagamilite|Yagamilite]] ([[User talk:Yagamilite|talk]]) 23:56, 3 May 2018 (EDT)Yagamilite | |||
== Second longest gap between games == | == Second longest gap between games == | ||
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I'm back with a question that's been bugging me since the last game's release. Simply, not to sound disrespectful but is there the possibility of western-developed 3rd party fighters being allowed to become part of the roster for a major first in the series? [[User: SonicTeamz90210|<span style="color: purple;">'''King Hippo'''</span>]] 17:59, 24 April 2018 (BST) | I'm back with a question that's been bugging me since the last game's release. Simply, not to sound disrespectful but is there the possibility of western-developed 3rd party fighters being allowed to become part of the roster for a major first in the series? [[User: SonicTeamz90210|<span style="color: purple;">'''King Hippo'''</span>]] 17:59, 24 April 2018 (BST) | ||
:While I will say that [[SW:TALK|this goes against talk page policy]], I will throw my two cents in: I don't know how likely that is, given how most of these western-developed third-party characters are for Sony or Microsoft, and while Sakurai has rejected Japanese characters in the past due to not being known overseas, I personally think he'd apply the same logic to characters the Japanese don't know as well. As a side note, characters Sonic and Little Mac do not count, despite being more popular over here than in Japan. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 17:25, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | :While I will say that [[SW:TALK|this goes against talk page policy]], I will throw my two cents in: I don't know how likely that is, given how most of these western-developed third-party characters are for Sony or Microsoft, and while Sakurai has rejected Japanese characters in the past due to not being known overseas, I personally think he'd apply the same logic to characters the Japanese don't know as well. As a side note, characters like Sonic and Little Mac do not count, despite being more popular over here than in Japan. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 17:25, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
== New look Battlefield == | == New look Battlefield == | ||
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This is incorrect phrasing. You wouldn't say that "the" Koopa is playable in Mario Kart. "The" Toad isn't used in Peach's neutral B. "The" Inkling is not playable; Inkling is, or if you're really picky about the grammar, "an" Inkling is -- generic, not specific over something that there are no specifics for. But that's not correct either, since we know both male and female Inklings will appear. Far and wide, people refer to the character in question as "Inkling". We can, too. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 21:32, 25 April 2018 (EDT) | This is incorrect phrasing. You wouldn't say that "the" Koopa is playable in Mario Kart. "The" Toad isn't used in Peach's neutral B. "The" Inkling is not playable; Inkling is, or if you're really picky about the grammar, "an" Inkling is -- generic, not specific over something that there are no specifics for. But that's not correct either, since we know both male and female Inklings will appear. Far and wide, people refer to the character in question as "Inkling". We can, too. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 21:32, 25 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
:I will argue this with the notable inclusion of "the" in international versions of the Wii Fit Trainer's victory screen ("l'Entraîneur Wii Fit", "el Entrenador de Wii Fit", "der Wii Fit-Trainer"), the usage of "[[mariowiki:Koopa Troopa#Mario Kart series|a Koopa Troopa first appears as a playable character in ''Super Mario Kart'']]" over on the MarioWiki, and [[Villager|the fact that we use that wording here]] [[Wii Fit Trainer|on the wiki already]]. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 22:22, 25 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
::The Villager and The Wii Fit Trainer are also, generally speaking, singular entities. | |||
::Regardless, the fighter pages for both eliminate the article, as well as [[List of Super Smash Bros. 4 character posters]] and [[List of Super Smash Bros. 4 character trailers]], which are the most comparable pages to the one at hand. | |||
::Furthermore, [[Inkling]] does not include an article in its opening sentence. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 22:40, 25 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::Also, I am fine with the usage of "a" over "the". "The" is too specific for a species of which we regularly see multiple, including in the Smash trailer. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 22:41, 25 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
::::The Inkling page does not have an article because it namedrops "Inkling" as the name of the species, not the character. While the Wii Fit Trainer is indeed a single entity, the Villager is not, as it's the player character in Animal Crossing, as the Inkling is to Splatoon. As for the poster/trailer pages, those again refer to the character of the name (similar to the distinction between [[mariowiki:Metal Mario (form)|Metal Mario as a powered-up form of Mario]] and [[mariowiki:Metal Mario (character)|Metal Mario as a separate character from Mario]]). [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 23:26, 25 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::::This also refers to the character of the name... the playable fighter in Smash 5. How is this different than the playable fighter in Smash 4? | |||
:::::The Villager is an individual representing the player. There can be -- albeit rarely, and in the secondary multiplayer segments of only a couple of games -- more than one, but they can still be referred to specifically as "Villager" is differentiated from "Human". If using vague terms, you wouldn't call Mario "the human". However, you may refer to him as "the plumber" or "the hero", as this is a specific identifier, not a species. Similarly, if referring to Agent 3, you may call them "the agent"; you should not, however, call them "the Inkling". | |||
:::::I believe the most logical solution would be to change it to "Inklings". The trailer clearly demonstrates two Inklings and there is no argument about usage of articles, since, as you said, an article is not necessary when referring to the name of the species. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 11:01, 26 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
Think of it this way. When you use "the", you are implying a specific identifier. For example, "the Villager (who moves into a town full of animals)". Mario would be "the plumber (who wears red)", or "the hero (who saves Princess Peach)". Agent 3 would be "the agent (who assists Cap'n Cuttlefish)". This could also be an adjective, such as "the (red-clad) plumber", "the (only human) Villager", or "the (Wii Fit) Trainer". | |||
Now, look at the sentence at hand. We don't know that this Inkling is Agent 3; there are many Inklings who are not. We don't really even know that this Inkling is the one who represents the player; again, there are many Inklings who do not -- Callie, Marie, and Pearl, for example, as well as the implied masses who we don't see in-game. The one identifiable trait about this Inkling that sets them apart from other Inklings is that they appear as a fighter in Smash 5. So "It suggests that the Inkling (who appears in Smash 5) is the first revealed newcomer to the game" becomes our implied sentence. Effectively, we're saying that the Inkling who appears in Smash 5 appears in Smash 5. See an issue here? | |||
It has to be more generic. "An" Inkling requires no identifier. "Inkling" creates a unique name and character for it that requires no further explanation -- and is also consistent with our usage of Villager and Wii Fit Trainer. Or "Inklings" refers to the multiple Inklings that were seen in the trailer. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 11:22, 26 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
If no one has anything to add, I'm changing it to Inklings. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:49, 27 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
==Still unknown whether it's port or new game (As of 16 May 2018)== | |||
I think it's best to not call it the "fifth installment" for now. Who knows, it could be just a deluxe port (watch the toxic replies come) and be part three of the Super Smash Bros. 4 group.[[User:Yagamilite|Yagamilite]] ([[User talk:Yagamilite|talk]]) 23:52, 16 May 2018 (EDT)Yagamilite | |||
:I think it has a good chance of being either. I wouldn't really care if any mentions to it being the "fifth installment" are removed. We're about to get gameplay next month, so by then we'll know if it's a port or not. It might also be worth noting that Sakurai considers this the "sixth installment" since he counted Smash 3DS and Wii U as separate. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 14:14, 18 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
::We really have no reason to believe it's a deluxe port except development time and several "leaks" that may or may not be real. However, Nintendo consistently calls it a "new" Super Smash Bros., it has a completely new logo, its title is tentative (whereas a deluxe port of SSB4 would almost certainly be called "Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch"), and it has a new design for Link. From an encyclopedic standpoint, we should be reporting on these facts, not speculation and rumors. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:43, 18 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
That doesn't mean anything. If you really want to report facts, you shouldn't use assumption standpoints as a basis. Even if they stand out strong. We still don't have enough proof whether or not this is new or not. Believe me, I personally fall on the "new game" side, but point is, no one knows for sure. Also, Nintendo has never, in any way, referred to this as a totally brand new game, much less the "consistently" part. The new logo is just a teaser, they probably wanted to come up with a wittier title than "Smash Bros for the Switch", and Botw Link could very well be a palette swap. [[User:Yagamilite|Yagamilite]] ([[User talk:Yagamilite|talk]]) 23:47, 22 May 2018 (EDT)Yagamilite | |||
:So if it was a port, would Nintendo put so much hype behind it, only to piss everyone off when they announce it to only be a port? [[Special:Contributions/75.141.57.33|75.141.57.33]] 10:10, 28 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
::You make a good point, but it doesn't change the fact that there's a strong bubble of uncertainty surrounding the entire thing. Even I am strong in the conviction that it will be a new game, but we just do not know for sure. If we can't write anything without speculating, we can't write anything - it's as simple as that. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 10:38, 28 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
==Possible Pikachu== | |||
Look closely and you will see a yellow thing. I can see its Pikachu because- | |||
*Its short | |||
*It has ears sticking thus its not Luca's hair | |||
*Its a yellow shading | |||
*There are no other characters like this expect Pika Pika | |||
--[[User:Play Dash|Mega Man is great.]] ([[User talk:Play Dash|talk]]) 06:03, 1 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:'''''"With no pun intended, the lineup of characters is an inkblot test; people will see what they want to see. Anything beyond Bowser, Donkey Kong, and Samus is speculation."''''' This is our current stance on the matter, as we consider ourselves a factual wiki and thus opinions are not permitted on main articles. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 06:41, 1 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
No, i mean't in the inkblot picture. --[[Special:Contributions/62.219.147.24|62.219.147.24]] 06:49, 1 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Sudden announcement? == | |||
The last three titles (I personally count 3DS/Wii U as the fourth installment rather than fourth and fifth respectively like Sakurai said in an interview) had always been announced in development at least a year or two before their release, rather than months like the Switch version. Why is this? [[Special:Contributions/97.88.58.90|97.88.58.90]] 21:59, 11 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:We don't know. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 22:50, 11 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
::Possibly due to the rage that the fans did they wanted it. -[[User:Play Dash|Mega Man is great.]] [[User talk:Play Dash|So is Roll.]] 01:06, 12 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::What rage? People wanted the game, yes, but they didn't get upset about it. The entire "WHERE'S SMASH" thing was a meme, and no one was genuinely upset about anything. | |||
:::And also, Melee was first shown off in August of 2001, ''three'' months before it came out in Japan, and was in development for 13 months. Smash 64 even arguably was announced months before, since Nintendo didn't even know if they wanted to bring the damn thing over here. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 01:17, 12 June 2018 (EDT) | |||