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:::::::::::::You didn't quash any of what I've said unintentionally or intentionally. You did intend to escape this debate by calling for more opinions (which is OK, but using it to disguise backing off is unnecessary; just admit that you're wrong), though. It seems you don't intend to refute anything I've said at all, actually. I never "literally" said all of your points were stupid either, I said your thought process is flawed, and it is "perfectly fine" because you've yet to come up with a response that proves my points invalid (including the one about your thought process being flawed). <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 18:11, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | :::::::::::::You didn't quash any of what I've said unintentionally or intentionally. You did intend to escape this debate by calling for more opinions (which is OK, but using it to disguise backing off is unnecessary; just admit that you're wrong), though. It seems you don't intend to refute anything I've said at all, actually. I never "literally" said all of your points were stupid either, I said your thought process is flawed, and it is "perfectly fine" because you've yet to come up with a response that proves my points invalid (including the one about your thought process being flawed). <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 18:11, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
:::::::::::::::this has become just a debate over who debates better. What's the verdict on luigi? We need someone else's input. | :::::::::::::::this has become just a debate over who debates better. What's the verdict on luigi? We need someone else's input. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Littlesquirtle|Littlesquirtle]] ([[User talk:Littlesquirtle|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlesquirtle|contribs]]) 18:35, 22 October 2014 (EDT)</small> | ||
Luigi, in my opinion, is a semi-clone, but this is up for debate. <font face="AmericanTypewriter">[[User: Rtzxy|<span style="color:darkorange;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:blue;">Smashing!</span>]]</font> 18:41, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | Luigi, in my opinion, is a semi-clone, but this is up for debate. <font face="AmericanTypewriter">[[User: Rtzxy|<span style="color:darkorange;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:blue;">Smashing!</span>]]</font> 18:41, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
:Just a heads up: this isn't really something that can be dictated by majority rule, unless that means that we overhaul the definition of a semi-clone. If we go by Nutta's "logic", Ganondorf, Falco, Lucas, and Jigglypuff (SSB64) aren't semi-clones. Again, the proof is in the gameplay. All you need to do is look at the animations for Luigi's moves to see that he's still a semi-clone. This can't possibly be that difficult of a task. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 18:42, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | :Just a heads up: this isn't really something that can be dictated by majority rule, unless that means that we overhaul the definition of a semi-clone. If we go by Nutta's "logic", Ganondorf, Falco, Lucas, and Jigglypuff (SSB64) aren't semi-clones. Again, the proof is in the gameplay. All you need to do is look at the animations for Luigi's moves to see that he's still a semi-clone. This can't possibly be that difficult of a task. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 18:42, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
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::<font size=4>"'''So, I've tested Luigi's moves, ''and he still has the same animations for them from Brawl.'' He has a new forward-leaning first jump, and the first hit of his jab is no longer identical to Mario's (though, according to OT's chart, the jab combo on the whole is what matters), but that's it. I'd still give the miscellaneous point, ''which means Luigi still shares 36% of his moves with Mario and is therefore still a semi-clone.'''''"</font> | ::<font size=4>"'''So, I've tested Luigi's moves, ''and he still has the same animations for them from Brawl.'' He has a new forward-leaning first jump, and the first hit of his jab is no longer identical to Mario's (though, according to OT's chart, the jab combo on the whole is what matters), but that's it. I'd still give the miscellaneous point, ''which means Luigi still shares 36% of his moves with Mario and is therefore still a semi-clone.'''''"</font> | ||
::I already did the testing. If I posted a chart, it'd only look like the one OT made to compare Mario and Luigi in Brawl. The only modification I'd make is to the nair, which [[:File:Neutral aerial.png|looks the same]], but is initiated differently. That'd increase the amount of moves they share to 40%, but to seem like less of a jerk, I omitted the n-air (and because, as with OT's tests, n-air sex kicks pretty much all look the same). <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 22:22, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | ::I already did the testing. If I posted a chart, it'd only look like the one OT made to compare Mario and Luigi in Brawl. The only modification I'd make is to the nair, which [[:File:Neutral aerial.png|looks the same]], but is initiated differently. That'd increase the amount of moves they share to 40%, but to seem like less of a jerk, I omitted the n-air (and because, as with OT's tests, n-air sex kicks pretty much all look the same). <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 22:22, 22 October 2014 (EDT) | ||
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:::Let's talk regularly, and don't swear at each other. I'm aware of the 'SmashWiki is not censored' rule, but don't swear at someone for the entire duration of your post. Secondly, if you want to express importance in some portion of your text, use minor italicization and bolding, no caps, no bolding the entire post, and definitely none of what BNK just did. Quit raging, period. What happened to this once sensibly managed discussion? | |||
:::And the definition of a semi-clone is a character who shares several important characteristics with another character. I'm going with Rtzxy on this one; someone ''non-biased'' should go and analyze their different moves. <font face="sand">''[[User:Qwerty|<font color="black">Qw</font><font color="003F3F">er</font><font color="005F5F">ty</font>]] ''[[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="005F6F">(t</font><font color="003C6F">al</font><font color="000F7F">k)</font>]]</font> 18:25, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::Yeah, non-bias sounds good. Which basically means no one who's previously posted in this section (except maybe you, Qwerty, you didn't entirely share your opinion). ...So uh, anyone stalking recent changes right now? <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 18:27, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
Enough of this. I've already edited the page to reflect the disagreement. Any further bickering here is counterproductive. Let's all try to remember [[SW:NPA]] in the future and keep future disagreements more civil. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:50, 25 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I'm not here to further any of the bickering, but to reconcile. First off, I was wrong to insult Nutta Butta's intelligence as many times as I did. Secondly, I was pretty wrong in my tests as I forgot that Luigi has a brand new down throw, pummel, and grab animation, which decreases the percentage of moves he has in common with Mario. So, Qwerty, Nutta, and Rtxzy were right not to take my judgement seriously. I'll be much more careful next time, and I'll be more civil and patient in future debates. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 03:37, 26 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
Okay so my opinion is on [[User:Toomai/Cloneosity|this page]]. Basically, if Lucas is a semi-clone in Brawl, so is Luigi in SSB4. If you want to debate my method etc, do so over there. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Obfuscating 12:32, 26 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I agree 100% with Toomai's cloneosity, and consider Luigi a semi-clone. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 12:45, 26 October 2014 (EDT) | |||