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 [http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/27329 Miiverse's demise is nigh], and while the Web Archive should keep most of the important stuff accessible, it would be worthwhile to double-check that Sakurai's posts are correctly transcribed here. Furthermore, are there any other Miiverse-related Smash elements that should be archived while it's still possible? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:58, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
+== Move proposal ==
+'''Strong oppose'''. Why does this need to be moved? Just because Miiverse is no longer running? This page is itself an archive - there's really no need for this move to happen. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 03:16, 27 February 2018 (EST)
+'''Oppose'''. I can't see any of these pages getting moved anytime soon. [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: green;">'''St. Reggie,'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: green;">'''Leprachaun'''</span>]] 23:48, 27 February 2018 (EST)
+'''Oppose''' Please explain why. I fail to see any reason to do this. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 22:42, 28 February 2018 (EST)
+The newer posts should not be on the main section of the article, and should instead be moved to an archive like the older ones. The current layout implies that the newer posts are considered the primary topic over the others, while simultaneously creating the impression that the page is still being updated.
+[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_colors] See this Wikipedia page for example. The main article is a disambiguation page called "Lists of colors," while the lists themselves are split into separate pages alphabetically, in order to keep the page size manageable. Under the current state of the page, it would be like if the page "List of colors" contained letters A-F, while you would have to click on the other links to see the colors G-Z. The Miiverse posts page should be formatted similarly to the Wikipedia article. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 00:17, 1 March 2018 (EST)
+:We’re not Wikipedia, though. It’s not just me saying this either - this is the stance of our entire administration. It’s been said time and time again, in fact I’m pretty sure that phrase is buried in the SmashWiki: namespace somewhere. If you want to discuss our SOPs with them, be my guest, but if the basis for your proposal, or even just your main reason for it is, “We should be using Wikipedia standards”, then it will likely be doomed to failure. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 08:36, 1 March 2018 (EST)
+::I think a "'''SmashWiki is not Wikipedia'''" section should be added to [[SW:NOT]] so that this doesn't happen again... [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 08:46, 1 March 2018 (EST)
+::You didn't actually respond to any of the arguments I made, you just strawmanned the "We're not Wikipedia" argument without taking into account what else I said. Looking like Wikipedia is not the main basis of my proposal, I just brought up the previous link as an example of how this page would look, since visualizations can be more effective than typing things out in words. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 12:59, 1 March 2018 (EST)
+:::Okay, then let me shoot down the other half of your argument - the page is itself an archive. Why do we need to create an archive of an archive? [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 17:34, 1 March 2018 (EST)
+::::If you want to go by that logic, then all the old posts are also "archives of an archive." This page is not the same kind of archive as a talk page. This page contains encyclopedic content, whereas talk page archives are kept as historical logs for future reference. The main article should be turned into a "table of contents," and the other archives should be given more encyclopedic names. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 00:44, 2 March 2018 (EST)
+:::::I'm still not convinced. That just sounds like pointless busywork that only increases the amount of data on the wiki without any tangible benefit. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 00:55, 2 March 2018 (EST)
+::::::If you're not convinced, then explain why. Also, the "pointless busywork" argument is terrible; if there are users willing to do the job, then let them. If you think it's pointless, then just ignore it when you see it in Recent Changes and let someone else handle it. Besides, this does have a tangible benefit. Archive subpages are primarily used for talk page conversation, and implies that the information is old and is not meant to be viewed by regular readers. Removing the archive aspect of this page will ensure that the encylopedic information appears like it belongs in the mainspace. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 01:26, 2 March 2018 (EST)
+'''Oppose''' 'Nuff said ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 09:53, 1 March 2018 (EST)
+Unless someone else has something to say about this, '''I move to declare this proposal failed'''. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 17:34, 2 March 2018 (EST)
+:While I won't deny the fact that four people are opposing the one supporter (five if you include myself, despite me not commenting my opinion on the matter), I'd hardly call that a consensus. Ac2k ''did'' leave a comment for you to respond to, BV, so I wouldn't necessarily go around declaring that you've won. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 22:28, 2 March 2018 (EST)
+::SK has unconditionally agreed to close the discussion. I decided to make the motion to declare a failure after Ac2k had three times failed to articulate why a move should have been made. I can understand what he wants to do - segregate the list of the posts from the article content. However, he has not provided a satisfactory explanation for why this should be. First off, I STILL think that segregating at all is unnecessary, and secondly, segregating the list from the article itself will render the article useless, as the list is pretty integral to the article itself. Now, if that's a complete misinterpretation of the situation, well then, I don't know what the hell Ac2k is trying to do, and I probably won't ever understand what he was thinking. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 22:47, 2 March 2018 (EST)
+:::If no one else agrees with this proposal, then I'll back off on it. But this kind of logic is flawed in numerous ways. Firstly, you should never support a decision because "An admin made it so it's final." Administrators are not 100 percent infallible, and users should not be afraid to challenge them because their of their superior status. It's also dubious to claim that you've "won" an argument when your main opposition has consisted of "I'm not convinced" or "Your argument is not enough." Calling for an admin to close the discussion, while refusing to respond to the other person despite being given a lengthy opportunity, just looks really bad on your part. In addition, the points you made above demonstrate a misunderstanding of what the proposed page would look like. If you're still at all interested in continuing this discussion, I can make a draft of it so you can see what it looks like. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 17:16, 3 March 2018 (EST)
+::::Sorry, but I don't see the point of making an extra archive when Miiverse's shutdown would prevent Sakurai from making any more posts to add to this article. So I oppose just like everyone else. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:38, 5 March 2018 (EST)
+:::::Your input is appreciated, but the discussion has already been closed. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 23:30, 5 March 2018 (EST)