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I feel there's been a lot of interest lately over tweaking the dissonance between the current treatment of smashers, crews, and tournaments. There's a couple ways we can go about this. Let's have an official on-wiki discussion. | I feel there's been a lot of interest lately over tweaking the dissonance between the current treatment of smashers, crews, and tournaments. There's a couple ways we can go about this. Let's have an official on-wiki discussion. | ||
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# Agree with the 2 users above me, I think crews are not important enough [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 04:22, 17 September 2017 (EDT) | # Agree with the 2 users above me, I think crews are not important enough [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 04:22, 17 September 2017 (EDT) | ||
# Although crews are important to quite a few people (I'm in one as well), crews are overall a too minor part of Smash Bros. to need their own namespace. Tournaments are a large part of Smash Bros., especially in this era, where major tournaments are showing up on a monthly or even weekly basis now. --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 01:27, 20 September 2017 (EDT) | # Although crews are important to quite a few people (I'm in one as well), crews are overall a too minor part of Smash Bros. to need their own namespace. Tournaments are a large part of Smash Bros., especially in this era, where major tournaments are showing up on a monthly or even weekly basis now. --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 01:27, 20 September 2017 (EDT) | ||
#Echoing Flare and <s>Taste the Rainbow</s> Skittles; I don't see crews needing a namespace. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''the Spooky Rurouni'''</span>]] 17:14, 22 October 2017 (EDT) | |||
====Option 2: Create a <code>Tournament:</code> namespace and a <code>Crew:</code> namespace.==== | ====Option 2: Create a <code>Tournament:</code> namespace and a <code>Crew:</code> namespace.==== | ||
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#I'm reluctant in general about separate namespaces, however it seems we are down to only these 3 options. This seems like the only good option in my opinion, because if we're going to have a Tournament: name space, a Crew: should also be made, since those don't feel like they belong on mainspace. A Competitive: namespace could work, but smashers are also important in competitive, aren't they? So this is the only rational decision in my opinion. [[User:F0rZ3r0F0r|F0rZ3r0F0r]] ([[User talk:F0rZ3r0F0r|talk]]) 19:28, 16 September 2017 (EDT) | #I'm reluctant in general about separate namespaces, however it seems we are down to only these 3 options. This seems like the only good option in my opinion, because if we're going to have a Tournament: name space, a Crew: should also be made, since those don't feel like they belong on mainspace. A Competitive: namespace could work, but smashers are also important in competitive, aren't they? So this is the only rational decision in my opinion. [[User:F0rZ3r0F0r|F0rZ3r0F0r]] ([[User talk:F0rZ3r0F0r|talk]]) 19:28, 16 September 2017 (EDT) | ||
# Call it "Crew" and I will approve! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 19:34, 16 September 2017 (EDT) | # Call it "Crew" and I will approve! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 19:34, 16 September 2017 (EDT) | ||
#I know of a few tournaments and crews that have the same name, most notably Royal Flush. Give them a separate namespace, or at the very least, get them out of the mainspace, which should be about just the game itself. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the Internets go! :3''']]</span> 05:09, 17 September 2017 (EDT) | #I know of a few tournaments and crews that have the same name, most notably Royal Flush. Give them a separate namespace '''and call it ‘crew’''', or at the very least, get them out of the mainspace, which should be about just the game itself. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the Internets go! :3''']]</span> 05:09, 17 September 2017 (EDT) | ||
#'''Namespace called "Team"''', consisting of both crew and sponsor pages. Firstly, a "Competitive" namespace would just lump everything together so it would be pretty inconvenient, and there can be tournaments and crews of the same name as mentioned above. Now referring to the Team namespace specifically, crews and sponsors have differences (crews are run by players only, whereas sponsors are run by or have involvement from non-players), so simply calling the namespace "Crew" would be informal. "Team" refers to both of them however, so it makes sense to call the namespace that. Also leaving crews and sponsors in different namespaces would be inconvenient and probably confusing to most people. [[User:Scr7|Scr7]] ([[User talk:Scr7|talk]]) 12:46, 17 September 2017 (EDT) | #'''Namespace called "Team"''', consisting of both crew and sponsor pages. Firstly, a "Competitive" namespace would just lump everything together so it would be pretty inconvenient, and there can be tournaments and crews of the same name as mentioned above. Now referring to the Team namespace specifically, crews and sponsors have differences (crews are run by players only, whereas sponsors are run by or have involvement from non-players), so simply calling the namespace "Crew" would be informal. "Team" refers to both of them however, so it makes sense to call the namespace that. Also leaving crews and sponsors in different namespaces would be inconvenient and probably confusing to most people. [[User:Scr7|Scr7]] ([[User talk:Scr7|talk]]) 12:46, 17 September 2017 (EDT) | ||
#This is so the mainspace is only reserved for the contents of the games. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy 20:13, 21 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
#Per Scr7. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 07:55, 23 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
#I've decided I do not care what we call the crew/team/sponsor namespace as long as we make a move and stick em in their own namespace. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 20:04, 23 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
#'''Namespace as "Crew."''' We already have a crew [[crew|page]] on the wiki so it seems like it would make sense. Not to mention that some people might be confused somehow with [[Team Battle]]. Regardless of the name, I think it would be best to implement both of these changes as soon as possible. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 10:47, 29 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
#Probably the most consistent option. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:02, 2 October 2017 (EDT) | |||
# '''Namespace as "Crew".''' The issue I have is that crews will come and go and no one is able to be there to know when it has disbanded. Can we set a parameter where if nothing has changed after a year or two that we can flag for current update of crew and move them to the discontinued crew? While having the rest be labeled as active crews maybe? That way we won't have to filter through so many out-of-date materials. And if you want to categorize even more, split the crews off into SSB, SSBM, SSBB, PM, and SSB4. Just a thought, nothing more. [[User:Lv20ninja|<span style="color: Green;">Lv20ninja</span>]] [[File:Lv20ninjaDonkeyKongHeadSSB.png |19px]] [[User talk:Lv20ninja|''<span style="color: blue;">'''(talk)'''</span>'']] 08:08, 3 October 2017 (EDT) | |||
# I think “Team” is the best of the available options for me. - [[User:The Gamer 91|The Gamer 91]] ([[User talk:The Gamer 91|talk]]) 10:01, October 6, 2017 (CT) | |||
# '''Namespace as "Crew"''' per many of the above arguments. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 23:38, 6 October 2017 (EDT) | |||
# '''Namespace as Crew''' Although I understand the logic of crews being too minor to deserve a namespace, that's more the fault of the decision to have articles on crews in the first place. Having articles about crews open their pages with "Tournament:" would be confusing and misleading. I would prefer the prefix "Sponsor:" if the articles were just ones such as [[2GGaming]] and [[VGBootCamp]], but the inclusion of pages like [[Ha Ha You Lose]] and [[San Diego Love! ♥]] throws a spanner into this. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">Toast</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 09:01, 11 October 2017 (EDT) | |||
# '''Namespace as "Team"''' for the reasons already given by others above. [[User:Sniffnoy|Sniffnoy]] ([[User talk:Sniffnoy|talk]]) 17:44, 13 October 2017 (EDT) | |||
# '''Namespace as "Team"''', feels the most natural. -[[User:Menshay|Menshay]] ([[User talk:Menshay|talk]]) 12:04, 14 October 2017 (EDT) | |||
# Per everyone. [[User:Penro|<font color="red">'''Pen'''</font>]][[User talk:Penro|<font color="black">'''''ro'''''</font>]] 10:34, 10 November 2017 (EST) | |||
====Option 5: Create a <code>Competitive:</code> namespace. Put both crews and tournaments into it.==== | ====Option 5: Create a <code>Competitive:</code> namespace. Put both crews and tournaments into it.==== | ||
Vote here if you think crews should share the tournament namespace, which would be named appropriately. | Vote here if you think crews should share the tournament namespace, which would be named appropriately. | ||
#... | # The reason that Smasher: was created in the first place, I imagine, was to distinguish in-game content from out-of-game content, and one namespace is sufficient for this. Furthermore, are we really sure that there aren't even more subjects relating competitive play, which will not fit under the very specific namespaces of smasher, tournament, and team? – [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] 16:05, 8 November 2017 (EST) | ||
===The decision=== | |||
It is pretty clear that option 2 is the winner. | |||
*There will be a <code>Tournament:</code> namespace. This is basically unanimous. | |||
*There will be a <code>Team:</code> namespace, with <code>Crew:</code> acting as a redirect (as Image: does to File:). I know this isn't the consensus, but I believe it is the better option, and having the redirect available means it doesn't really matter too much. | |||
Next steps: [[User:eXemplary Logic|XL]] (which if you don't know, is a bot that I run) will be handling the mass-move of all tournament and crew pages. However, this can't be done immediately; there needs to be a fair amount of preparation (such as generating the lists of "from pages" and "to pages"). Once the bot is ready to go, [[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] (the owner/developer) will be contacted to add the namespaces. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bess 18:39, 11 November 2017 (EST) | |||