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| <font face="Triforce">[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="purple">Dokteur</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="purple">Pain99</font>]]</font> 15:39, 30 October 2011 (EDT) | | <font face="Triforce">[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="purple">Dokteur</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="purple">Pain99</font>]]</font> 15:39, 30 October 2011 (EDT) |
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| :And the fact that I don't use IRC or the fact that I have never used the ignore command is irrelevant; I disagree on principle after seeing its positiveness in action. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 18:12, 5 April 2013 (EDT) | | :And the fact that I don't use IRC or the fact that I have never used the ignore command is irrelevant; I disagree on principle after seeing its positiveness in action. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 18:12, 5 April 2013 (EDT) |
| ::I agree with Dr. Pain and although he effectively summarizes my opinion, I'd like to add the fact that SmashWiki has no right to control what users do on other IRC channels (save PMs). If you are ignoring a user on another, less moderated channel, and that user happens to arrive on #SW, is it mandated that you unignore them? Finally, while there's nothing against PoD adding the rule in the first place, the spirit of [[SW:1RV]] holds that there should be some kind of community consensus before further implementing rules. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 18:18, 5 April 2013 (EDT) | | ::I agree with Dr. Pain and although he effectively summarizes my opinion, I'd like to add the fact that SmashWiki has no right to control what users do on other IRC channels (save PMs). If you are ignoring a user on another, less moderated channel, and that user happens to arrive on #SW, is it mandated that you unignore them? Finally, while there's nothing against PoD adding the rule in the first place, the spirit of [[SW:1RV]] holds that there should be some kind of community consensus before further implementing rules. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 18:18, 5 April 2013 (EDT) |
| ::Piratehunter is a bad example, he was from an age when the channel was a lot more lenient and there weren't set rules, he wouldn't get away with what he did then today. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:37, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
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| :::DP: So your argument is based on stuff from years ago which is now irrelevant because op coverage is better in all regards, the fact that you want to do whatever you want to do on IRC despite presumably respecting all other rules on SW:IRC, and the fact that you never use IRC or the command in question in the first place? Is that an accurate summary of the above? Cos tbh that's a terrible argument... Are you keeping actual logic in reserve for some reason?
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| :::Anon: Your argument is just technicalities. There's no need to ignore a whole bunch of users so you can have multiple conversations at once. What if one of them wanted to join in, but you had them on ignore, and they were talking to you and taking interest in your conversation? How much of an ass would you look? Why not just take it to another channel, or PM? And no, we can't control what goes on on other channels, but you shouldn't have to ignore users on other channels for the same reasons that you should never have to ignore a user on #sw. If a channel you frequent has bad op coverage, that's not our problem, that's your duty to get your beloved IRC channel better equipped to deal with people who need to be banned. And you're saying the the spirit of 1RV is that someone can revert without any logical argument, and that's taken seriously and requires a community consensus? Is not the most basic spirit of any wiki policy to always use common sense? '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 18:38, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
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| ::::You say I have a bad argument but then argue that you should ban ignore because it "makes users look like they're an ass." Yeah, whatever. Because we can't have that. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 18:48, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
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| ::::I've pointed out that there exist cases where using ignore would be acceptable. You pointed out cases where it would be unacceptable. Cool. Just because it might not be acceptable in many cases doesn't mean it should be banned. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 18:49, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
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| ::::You're argument also hinges on hypotheticals. If I'm ignoring a user who has a history of harassing me, there's no reason why I should be forced to see his or her posts. Banning the ignore user function creates an unnecessary restriction. If someone is abusing the ignore function to the point where it is impossible to contact, then that violates existing rules of the IRC, notably those regarding idling and lurking. Other than that, just because you personally find users who use it annoying does not mean it should be an enforced rule on IRC.
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| ::::When we discussed other examples on IRC, I brought up PM harassment. You countered that this violates existing rules. However, it is not always the case that an admin is active on the channel. If an admin is inactive, there is no reason why users should be forced to see posts they find harassing. The case can be made that in mod inactivity, the ignore function is acceptable, but if we further extend this to an admin disagreeing with a user over what is disruptive. In this case, ignoring the user I find disruptive causes no harm to the IRC, and if the user I ignore desperately needs to contact me they can ask someone else to send me a message.
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| ::::Finally, don't strawman me over 1RV. Clearly there is community dispute over your change, and there are users who dispute that this is "common sense". Instead of claiming users who disagree with you lack skills in logic, how about you give a substantial reason for your proposal that goes beyond "I find it rude" and "I haven't needed to use it."? [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 18:52, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
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| :::::Whatever, I give up. /care '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 18:57, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
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| Hey, in your ballot, you have to select at least 10 newcomers. You can fix this, and not be subjected to the changing selections penalty. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:58, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
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| :Ah, thank you. I didn't see that rule, sorry. X( <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 14:46, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
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| == User talk pages ==
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| → ''moved to [[User talk:davidvkimball]]''
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| == Okay this isn't really funny anymore ==
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| [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Template:User_admin?curid=8681&action=history This] is just dumb. I don't know if the socks on that page are all you, but it's clear at least one of them is and the others are the rest of your goon squad.
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| What is the purpose of making crap edits just to mess with people and constantly reverting them? It doesn't really accomplish anything other than increase edit volume (which might raise the site in some of Wikia's lists and make it more visible). And why pick on Oscuritaforze? Just because he happens to be on our IRC lately?
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| You should be useful here rather than useless there. And pass that on the the rest of these people, whoever they are. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Indescribable 00:46, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
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| == An apologie ==
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| Hey DP, I just came to say I'm sorry about what happened at the MK page. I was just trying to add anything to an article that I can, whether if it's important or not, but I guess what said there really don't mean anything. And I'm sorry for the way I behaved. I didn't come to this website to cause any trouble. [[User:Smashdude10|Smashdude10]] ([[User talk:Smashdude10|talk]]) 18:43, 27 March 2014 (EDT)
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| :It's alright, man, don't worry about it. Just attempt to be constructive from now on. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' 19:15, 27 March 2014 (EDT)
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| Alright, I do that. BTW, I have a great idea for an article that I want see. It's at the [[pivot grab]] talk page. Check it out and tell me what you think. [[User:Smashdude10|Smashdude10]] ([[User talk:Smashdude10|talk]]) 18:40, 2 April 2014 (EDT)
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| == [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AReshiram1105&diff=533388&oldid=533379 This edit] ==
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| You probably shouldn't use the Nintendo/techskill joke when talking to users about their behaviour, especially those who wouldn't get the joke. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Free 01:01, 13 April 2014 (EDT)
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| :Source? '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' 01:43, 13 April 2014 (EDT)
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| == I have no skill? ==
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| I saw that you said that I have no skill because I'm Nintendo and I'm asking why do you think so negatively of me? I know that I made mistakes on this wiki, but I really am trying to be constructive and helpful here. ([[User:ThirdPlayer|ThirdPlayer]] ([[User talk:ThirdPlayer|talk]]) 19:00, 16 April 2014 (EDT))
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| :If you're talking about what he wrote on the userpage, he uses "Special:MyPage" as a link on "this user." This redirects anyone who clicks on it to their own page. It's a joke. --[[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] ([[User talk:Timson622222|talk]]) 19:01, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
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| ::Oh, ok. Sorry about that ([[User:ThirdPlayer|ThirdPlayer]] ([[User talk:ThirdPlayer|talk]]) 19:07, 16 April 2014 (EDT))
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| 1) Technically, you disobeyed that and I didn't- I didn't technically revert the first time. I changed it to a similar but technically different thing. You reverted me twice. (just saying, I don't really care)
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| 2) No, I did not know that, I've only been here for two or three weeks >.>
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| 3) Hmm... It does on most websites. Ah well.
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| And I'm done. Thanks for the info that I will keep in mind later. [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta Butta]] ([[User talk:Nutta Butta|talk]]) 20:47, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
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| :1) You disobeyed it by reverting my revert of your edit, which the policy prohibits. I didn't disobey it, as your edit was obviously false.
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| :2) Wikis archive every revision of every page, including deleted ones.
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| :3) Things on wikis tend to be case-sensitive.
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| :You're welcome. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' 20:51, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
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| Will you please do so on IRC? [[User:Smasher|Smasher]] ([[User talk:Smasher|talk]]) 08:03, 5 October 2014 (EDT)
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| I warned the channel not too long ago to quit with the stupid emotes as a trolling tool. If someone's using them with what I see as intent to incite, I'm going to ban them. Frankly, over the past little while you've been the agitator in debates that pop up, and that needs to stop. Treat this as a wake-up call. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Producer 23:36, 9 November 2014 (EST)
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| :source? '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' 23:37, 9 November 2014 (EST)
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| ::Several recent civil discussions between Brian and someone else that you crash in on with a snide remark. I'm sick of it. Cut it out. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Frivolous 23:41, 9 November 2014 (EST)
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| :::Civil? What discussions are you reading? Because the ones I'm reading are the ones where Brian just complains about shit and tells people they suck at Smash for no good reason. It happened yesterday when Timson asked him for advice. You have either got to be biased or ignorant to think my remarks are snide and his are fine. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' 23:47, 9 November 2014 (EST)
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| ::::Take this one that just happened. Brian and Timson were having a discussion about edgeguards and stage control. Then it went into disliking Sheik, and you jump in with a "yep, it's anti-Marth, of course he hates it". He repies in a civil way, you say "well I think that opinion goes :|O". This is clearly agitation, especially how at the end you go out of your way to rub it in by repeating it. I really don't know what kind of positive result you're trying to accomplish. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Cloronic 23:55, 9 November 2014 (EST)
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| :::::What you perceive as a "civil way", I and many others perceive as bitching and complaining, which we are sick of. "I hate Sheik" and "camping is the worst thing in a fighting game" are his exact quotes. What you posted on my talk pages have slightly altered language and therefore slightly altered meanings. Oh and he called me a dummy before I ever even said he goes :|O, so it's not like his responses were civil either. I suppose you'll claim I "trolled" or "provoked" to make him say that, but he says that kind of crap anyway, and actually only said it into response to something civil that I said, "camping isn't just not fighting". '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' 00:01, 10 November 2014 (EST)
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| ::::::My point is that, instead of ignoring a discussion you don't want to participate in, you tried to get it derailed in an unconstructive way. It's not to say that others aren't without fault. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Engineer 00:05, 10 November 2014 (EST)
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| :::::::Uh obviously if I responded, I did want to participate or at least make a comment on it... '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' 00:10, 10 November 2014 (EST)
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