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:"''I was talking about online Melee in general''"
:"''I was talking about online Melee in general''"


:That's even sillier, no one is deciding to play in online Melee tourneys or not based on if SmashWiki has an article on some online tournament that 99.9% of readers will never see. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:58, August 29, 2021 (EDT)
:That's even sillier, no one is deciding to play in online Melee tourneies or not based on if SmashWiki has an article on some online tournament that 99.9% of readers will never see. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:58, August 29, 2021 (EDT)


:Our tournament series at the time was the only prominent smashladder sponsored tournament series at the time, a lot of people that played in them are nowadays established players, and a lot of them were players that were working on getting better. Having a SSBwiki page for Online tournaments at the time would not have made a big difference I don't think, but what I'm saying isn't false either. People love seeing their name on pages, they can tell their friends hey look that's what I play and that player got top 3 look at his page, it's on a wiki (you know instead of being on a imgur link or whatever we ended doing at the time). When netplay tournaments had top 100 players, more than 100 entries, It would have been quite fun to have the seal of approval and found ourself a home at ssbwiki. Instead we got a response that ended up deleting all of our work on the wiki, which wasn't much mind you at the time, although I do think it was poorly handled with the likes of giving us multiple reasons onto why we couldn't at different time frames. The likes of, "Well your tournament isn't notable enough, there's not enough good players".. well fine, we did have a few with a good amount of players so only posting the big ones would be fine. But then we ended up getting the "Well actually, no we just don't publish netplay tournaments at all", and then a response close to "Actually we would if, bla bla bla.". Was kind of poorly handled in that sense. Professionally speaking it was a disaster and left all of us with a bitter taste in our mouths for sure. Now, as I said, Online melee I think could have gained a bit more traction if it ended up getting a bit more respect at the time, and maybe published a few article here and there. Nowadays, I don't care and I don't want anything to do with that tournament series, nor the people, nor the crew that was directing it, nor SSbwiki. We were already good enough on our own at the time without the help of SSBwiki, we had top players, a good playerbase but getting more exposure doesn't hurt anyone. And If you don't think a page of our crew at the time, Power rankings Weekly updated, Monthly tournaments, wouldn't have help the online community grow, then I can't say anything to that. Sincerly...(also I should add that, some of those comments refereed earlier to your "staff" were also deleted(which made matter even worst), and I did mention in my Original comment that it was from 2016~, so no I didn't expect a response and I wasn't trying to be "slick") [[User:Evilpcx|Evilpcx]] ([[User talk:Evilpcx|talk]]) 00:19, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
:Our tournament series at the time was the only prominent smashladder sponsored tournament series at the time, a lot of people that played in them are nowadays established players, and a lot of them were players that were working on getting better. Having a SSBwiki page for Online tournaments at the time would not have made a big difference I don't think, but what I'm saying isn't false either. People love seeing their name on pages, they can tell their friends hey look that's what I play and that player got top 3 look at his page, it's on a wiki (you know instead of being on a imgur link or whatever we ended doing at the time). When netplay tournaments had top 100 players, more than 100 entries, It would have been quite fun to have the seal of approval and found ourself a home at ssbwiki. Instead we got a response that ended up deleting all of our work on the wiki, which wasn't much mind you at the time, although I do think it was poorly handled with the likes of giving us multiple reasons onto why we couldn't at different time frames. The likes of, "Well your tournament isn't notable enough, there's not enough good players".. well fine, we did have a few with a good amount of players so only posting the big ones would be fine. But then we ended up getting the "Well actually, no we just don't publish netplay tournaments at all", and then a response close to "Actually we would if, bla bla bla.". Was kind of poorly handled in that sense. Professionally speaking it was a disaster and left all of us with a bitter taste in our mouths for sure. Now, as I said, Online melee I think could have gained a bit more traction if it ended up getting a bit more respect at the time, and maybe published a few article here and there. Nowadays, I don't care and I don't want anything to do with that tournament series, nor the people, nor the crew that was directing it, nor SSbwiki. We were already good enough on our own at the time without the help of SSBwiki, we had top players, a good playerbase but getting more exposure doesn't hurt anyone. And If you don't think a page of our crew at the time, Power rankings Weekly updated, Monthly tournaments, wouldn't have help the online community grow, then I can't say anything to that. Sincerly...(also I should add that, some of those comments refereed earlier to your "staff" were also deleted(which made matter even worst), and I did mention in my Original comment that it was from 2016~, so no I didn't expect a response and I wasn't trying to be "slick") [[User:Evilpcx|Evilpcx]] ([[User talk:Evilpcx|talk]]) 00:19, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
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::You may wanna check your grammar before posting, kid. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omega Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 00:34, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
::You may wanna check your grammar before posting, kid. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omega Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 00:34, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
::"''It would have been quite fun to have the seal of approval''"
::It's not the wiki's responsibility to endorse anything, nor should it being doing so as a neutral arbiter, an article existing or not is not any sort of "seal of approval", if you wanted to advertise your tournament you take elsewhere on social media sites where it's not only more appropriate but also a lot more effective. You're completely delusional if you think anyone's attendance of any tournament is decided by if they have a SmashWiki article or not, pretty much no one would have been seeing your article other than users doing janitorial work here that probably don't even play competitively. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:44, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
:I agree with the first part of your comment, that is not your role at all. and I disagree with the second part because I don't feel like I said any of that. I don't think having a wiki page would change a tournament's attendance lol.. Like I've mentioned before, Power rankings(better than most regions posted on this website), Some of the more prominent crews at the times (again), and some of the bigger tournaments would have still help in some capacity but I don't think of it as something like going from 40 to 400 lol. That's not what I said at all.(It would have maybe helped in the sense that if people saw those (because they would have been posted on our forum and whatnot.) It would have gathered a tad bit more attention, but like I said earlier there, It is not the website's problem. The problem I had, was how it was handled, so I think we're arguing about different things. Not only that but, I do feel like even though it wasn't the website's problem than maybe not all of it but most of it should have been accepted at the time in some capacity. I think seeking legitimacy in the smash world, even after having that many people enter was still something we were looking for at the time for sure. And today, I accept the decision as is. [[User:Evilpcx|Evilpcx]] ([[User talk:Evilpcx|talk]]) 00:54, August 30, 2021 (EDT)


:Thank you, I didn't notice. I'm sorry for mistakes, french is my main language. I'd rather you not call me kid.. [[User:Evilpcx|Evilpcx]] ([[User talk:Evilpcx|talk]]) 00:37, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
:Thank you, I didn't notice. I'm sorry for mistakes, french is my main language. I'd rather you not call me kid.. [[User:Evilpcx|Evilpcx]] ([[User talk:Evilpcx|talk]]) 00:37, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
::I'm sorry, but I don't really understand your complaint. From what I can tell, you stated how you were upset that the wiki deleted your tournament series, yet now, you don't really care about that anymore. Apologize if I sound rude, but what's your purpose in bringing this up again? [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 00:53, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
:::Well, I posted that without reading the edit conflicts, sorry. In regards to the page where you saw your tournament series being used, what page are you talking about? [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 00:56, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
:All good, The only reason why I have to bring up the past now is because I decided to leave that comment at the top, a comment somewhat similar to what I assume I wrote back in the days, but that I thought at the time was wrongfully deleted, so i decided to post a new one... aaannnd... here we are lol. [[User:Evilpcx|Evilpcx]] ([[User talk:Evilpcx|talk]]) 00:56, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
::If that's the case, personally your current comment comes off as more snarky, accusatory, and complaining over something in the past than something that's talking about a grievance that DF did, which may have been why it was removed in the first place (idk I'm not DF). I personally think it would've been better if you talked about how DF handled it rather than drilling in how upset you felt when it was initially removed, since the latter really comes off as an emotional reaction rather than actual criticism. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 01:08, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
:I can't disagree with that. When I saw that everything was deleted I wasn't exactly in the right mood to write that comment I suppose, and I'm sorry for that, that is totally my fault, I should have worded things differently from the beginning. This is all pretty silly cause I really don't care as much as I showed originally. [[User:Evilpcx|Evilpcx]] ([[User talk:Evilpcx|talk]]) 01:13, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
:I think I noticed it on DaShizWiz's page? I don't necessarily want if off of his page or anything, I don't care (not that It would change much for him lol).For all I know a member of the old crew could have edited that out. I guess I'm only responding to legitimise my original complaint.. [[User:Evilpcx|Evilpcx]] ([[User talk:Evilpcx|talk]]) 01:03, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
:I still want to add, that yes, I was absolutely livid about the treatment we ended receiving, and whether anyone agrees or not, no I don't think It would have made attendees go up, at least not imitatively it would still have created a fun platform for everyone involved, for things as little as crews, or power rankings or possibly invitational tournaments. Growth isn't synonym with numbers at present time. Either way, we've stopped operation a long time ago now. after our 40-50th~ tournament. People may have not clicked on any of those naturally, but us posting infos about it, on our webiste and smashladder and all that would have created a bit of traffic. anyways, I'm done posting about it for now, I think we get the just of it. [[User:Evilpcx|Evilpcx]] ([[User talk:Evilpcx|talk]]) 01:21, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
::Final comment on this, since both of us don't want this to drag too much. I appreciate the apology, and I do understand that feeling (I've had similar gut reactions before). That being said, in my opinion, it's best to let this stay in the past. Now, I don't really know what exactly transpired in 2016, but no matter what happened, I'm sure that DF was, at the very least, doing what the notability guidelines stated back then. Guidelines like that can change, which is why we do document online tournaments today. Also, DF has changed a lot since 2016, something that [[SmashWiki:Requests for bureaucratship/Disaster Flare|most people can attest to]], and I don't think he, nor you, wants to be reminded about how this issue was handled in the past. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 01:28, August 30, 2021 (EDT)
:Final for me, just to thank you for handling the way you did, without any passive-aggressive remarks, assumptions, and also linking me to more information. As for me, I promise I won't comeback to whatever this whole thread was. As you said, I'll let everything stay in the past. If this whole thread has to be deleted then so be it. Thank you for your help. [[User:Evilpcx|Evilpcx]] ([[User talk:Evilpcx|talk]]) 01:52, August 30, 2021 (EDT)


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#Disaster Flare is accurate. Sounds like a psuedo-male enhancement product that gives the victim cancer. Just like you, you stupid, cocky, son of a... [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: red;">'''Iron Reggie,'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: cyan;">'''the Fearsome Warrior'''</span>]] 02:24, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
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