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| ::::I'm just going to drop this now and concede, since this is going nowhere. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 20:55, 8 November 2010 (EST) | | ::::I'm just going to drop this now and concede, since this is going nowhere. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 20:55, 8 November 2010 (EST) |
| ::::You even claimed it yourself that it's a "standing policy". As you said ''"The standing policy is that final boss stages merit an article."'' when there is absolutely no such policy. So don't go claiming such fallacies. When I took a look around the Wiki, I found no discussion about if "final boss stages" merited an article, and it seems to me you're just pushing your own belief as the belief of the Wiki. You and two other people =/= the consensus of the Wiki. You too failed to address my point on how "Tabuu's Residence" is not a separate stage from the Great Maze. If you had a section on "Tabuu's Residence" on the Great Maze article (as it should be), you still achieve your intent of having an article for every final boss stage, as having an article on the Great Maze fulfills that, (which is the final boss stage as it is the stage you fight Tabuu in). You also did not explain how Tabuu being a final boss gives him enough significance to where the places you fight the other bosses do not get their own article. So please, don't just say "this is how things are done around here" and address my points, especially when there is nothing existent on the Wiki that backs up what you said. If so, provide the links please. <span style="font-family:Vijaya; font-size:12pt">[[User:Garo108|<span style="color:brown">Garo</span>]][[User talk:Garo108|<span style="color:lightgreen">108</span>]]</span> 01:35, 9 November 2010 (EST)
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| :::::Let's point out one thing. In case you don't realize yet, you are not teh whoel Wiki either. Tabuu's Residence is a seperate stage but not a level. Tabuu is significant in comparison to every other boss in terms of story line events and everything. Who had control over everything? Tabuu. We do not have a notability policy and yet every trophy only character has been redirected. We do not need a policy now do we? Would we want to got back and make a notability policy when we've just been doing that for a while? We don't need to. SW minhags are common and aren't fought against. The community accepted this. Not just 3 people, the community. We have left this article for months and no one has opposed it. The community did not want this to go away. Only 3 people try to fight your opposition. You can not go around claiming fallacies when you have nothing to say that you are indeed the consensus of a Wiki while every other user is not. He is simply a final boss. Period. The other final boss locations merited a page. This location, not level, should merit a page simply because Tabuu is a final boss. Done.--[[Special:Contributions/99.66.204.101|99.66.204.101]] 10:38, 9 November 2010 (EST)
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| ::::::Again, you have claim yourself as correct with no support to your claim, failed to address my points properly, and even resorted to putting words in my mouth. When did I go claiming I was the community (when you keep acting like you are)? And each time I looked, I found nothing that shows the community accepted this. I only see three users anywhere on the Wiki that said "places where you fight final bosses get articles", while there haven't been any discussion on the Wiki that came to a consensus that you are championing as a "minihag of the Wiki". You made a fallacy yourself by assuming just because no one challenged this article's existence before, it is accepted as being a proper article. I'm sure there have been plenty of articles on this Wiki that existed for a year or so before someone said "hey, why does this have an article?" and then the community decided to delete it. Wiki users can be apathetic at times and an article existing for more than a month doesn't mean a majority of the community reviewed it and decided it was ok. So that point right there is flawed, and doesn't support your argument. You also failed to properly explain how Tabuu is such a more important boss than the other bosses to where the place you fight him gets an article and the places you fight them don't. You can keep on saying how he's the "final boss", but really, is a final boss that much more significant to where something they have that every other boss has gets an article on it while they don't? How about you forget about Tabuu for a second, and ask yourself, what does "Tabuu's Residence" has that every other place you fight a SSE boss doesn't have? As you think about it, it has nothing. And no, "Tabuu's Residence" is not a separate stage from the Great Maze. Instead of simply saying it is its own stage, actually refute my argument on how it is not. Really, I don't see how "Tabuu's Residence" is anymore notable than the places where you fight Rayquaza, Ridley, etc. If you're going to say something like "Tabuu's Residence has a name and they don't", you would be wrong as "Tabuu's Residence" is just a fan name, and if this Wiki accepts fan names for mainspace articles, then you can easily make up a fan name for the places where you fight the other bosses. If one place where you fight a boss gets an article, the other boss places should as well. The final boss really is not that more notable than the other bosses when it comes to getting Wiki articles (I have never visited a Wiki before where the final boss had articles about something they had that every other boss had while they didn't). And imo, Tabuu's Off Waves merit an article more than "Tabuu's Residence", as the former is actually officially named, has an actual role in the SSE story, and is overall, more notable than the place where you fight Tabuu that has no official name or real impact in the game. But when I did checked that, the Off Waves didn't have an article.
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| ::::::I also have a question for you, explain how the information in this article can't be put in the Great Maze article? None of you have yet to explain how the article is better itself than in being in the Great Maze.
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| ::::::And why you're at it, learn how to argue better. Each of your posts basically consist of unsupported claims of this being "the community's consensus", claiming yourself as correct (with a very poor and unsupported argument) while I'm wrong and should accept the view of three users as the view of the community, and how Tabuu is the "final boss" and therefore gets an article on something that every other boss has but don't have an article. <span style="font-family:Vijaya; font-size:12pt">[[User:Garo108|<span style="color:brown">Garo</span>]][[User talk:Garo108|<span style="color:lightgreen">108</span>]]</span> 11:50, 9 November 2010 (EST)
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| Just because there are "accepted standards" and "things are the way they are" doesn't mean people aren't allowed to question them, although pretty much everyone hates it when such happens, because it leads to these kinds of arguments where there's no real proof on either side. So, here's how things look right now:
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| *Currently, there is a "Tabuu's Residence" page. It's almost stub-size, though it is not a stub.
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| *Like Final Destination, Tabuu's Residence:
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| **...is a stage by the definition of the term.
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| **...is the location where a final boss is fought.
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| *Unlike Final Destination, Tabuu's Residence:
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| **...can be argued to be part of a larger whole (the Great Maze), though it is not clear whether it is part of the Great Maze or simply "next to" it.
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| **...is, like most other boss stages in the Subspace Emissary, connected to other stages (as in, you can get to/from it through a door).
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| **...is almost identical in shape and size to other boss stages, making it less unique.
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| **...is viable as a subsection of a page.
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| *Most established editors claim that the fact that this is a seperate page is good enough to validate it as deserving one ([[wikipedia:Grandfather clause|grandfather clause]]). This reasoning isn't the best, and could be seen as an "excuse" for not wanting change.
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| *Another popular claim is that "final boss stages get articles". I think this is more of a coincidence than a "standard". Final Destination is a playable stage in SSBM and SSBB, so it gets a page without question. It's less clear in SSB64, but it's still its own stage, and non-playable stages get articles (like [[DUMMY]]). So all three Final Destination incarnations get a stage page, and it's not because they're final boss stages. So that argument is weak.
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| So, I say this page gets merged with [[The Great Maze]]. The only thing unique about it is that Tabuu is fought there, and that's not really the best way to claim it deserves a page as shown above. The other consistency-implementing option is to make seperate pages for all boss stages, and that's a bigger change than just deleting this one. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 11:56, 9 November 2010 (EST)
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| :Looking at all this opposition, I can see that the only reason I didn't want this deleted is because of how popular it is and I'm opposed to this kind of change. Merge it.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 21:00, 9 November 2010 (EST)
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