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| == Alright, Leaked Dev Build; Knuckle, Lyn, and Isaac playable, with only Isaac being unfinished. New costumes included as well. == | | == Alright, Leaked Dev Build; Knuckle, Lyn, and Isaac playable, with only Isaac being unfinished. New costumes included as well. == |
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| What do we do about this? Do we acknowledge it? Do we make pages for Knuckles and Lyn? It is 100% legitimate, it comes from wiiztec himself that it's legit. | | What do we do about this? Do we acknowledge it? Do we make pages for Knuckles and Lyn? It is 100% legitimate, it comes from Wiiztech himself that it's legit. |
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| Additionally, do we note that Sami from Advance Wars and Skull Kid from Majora's Mask were planned to be in the game before it ceased development? | | Additionally, do we note that Sami from Advance Wars and Skull Kid from Majora's Mask were planned to be in the game before it ceased development? |
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| Relevant links: [https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3v3ipo/project_m_has_ceased_development/ Context for PM's cancellation for those out of the loop], [https://www.reddit.com/r/NewPMDT/comments/3v5710/wiiztec_former_pmdt_ama/cxkgnmf wiiztec's AMA where he acknowledges (and essentially confirms) the leak], [https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3v5kpc/two_unreleased_pm_characters_issac_sami/ Footage of Isaac and Sami], [https://www.reddit.com/r/NewPMDT/comments/3v6co7/dev_build_discovery_thread/ Best collection of info I could find about the dev build], [https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3v58lc/knuckles_lyn_isaac_sami_and_possibly_skull_kid/ Confirmation of Isaac, Sami, and Skull Kid from a different dev], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87NjPQge3Iw Old Footage of Knuckles and Lyn]. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 15:19, 2 December 2015 (EST) | | Relevant links: [https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3v3ipo/project_m_has_ceased_development/ Context for PM's cancellation for those out of the loop], [https://www.reddit.com/r/NewPMDT/comments/3v5710/wiiztec_former_pmdt_ama/cxkgnmf Wiiztech's AMA where he acknowledges (and essentially confirms) the leak], [https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3v5kpc/two_unreleased_pm_characters_issac_sami/ Footage of Isaac and Sami], [https://www.reddit.com/r/NewPMDT/comments/3v6co7/dev_build_discovery_thread/ Best collection of info I could find about the dev build], [https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3v58lc/knuckles_lyn_isaac_sami_and_possibly_skull_kid/ Confirmation of Isaac, Sami, and Skull Kid from a different dev], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87NjPQge3Iw Old Footage of Knuckles and Lyn]. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 15:19, 2 December 2015 (EST) |
| :I'd say mention Knuckles, Lyn, and Isaac in the article, maybe include them in an "unfinished characters" section of the character table or something. I'm ''very'' iffy on pages; IMO it should depend on whether a widely-accepted tribute version of Project M is created. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 15:37, 2 December 2015 (EST) | | :I'd say mention Knuckles, Lyn, and Isaac in the article, maybe include them in an "unfinished characters" section of the character table or something. I'm ''very'' iffy on pages; IMO it should depend on whether a widely-accepted tribute version of Project M is created. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 15:37, 2 December 2015 (EST) |
| ::I am honestly going to be pushing in the near future to condense our Project M character pages into something more like a fleshed-out, prose version of [[Brawl-/Character changes]]. The "leaked" characters could share a section at the bottom of such a page. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:12, 2 December 2015 (EST) | | ::I am honestly going to be pushing in the near future to condense our Project M character pages into something more like a fleshed-out, prose version of [[Brawl-/Character changes]]. The "leaked" characters could share a section at the bottom of such a page. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:12, 2 December 2015 (EST) |
| :::I don't agree with that last statement. To live, PM needs to be kept heavily documented. Condensing the database would just be pushing forward its death. That being said, I do agree on a section with info on the unfinished characters.--[[Special:Contributions/46.193.64.81|46.193.64.81]] 16:34, 2 December 2015 (EST) | | :::I don't agree with that last statement. To live, PM needs to be kept heavily documented. Condensing the database would just be pushing forward its death. That being said, I do agree on a section with info on the unfinished characters.--[[Special:Contributions/46.193.64.81|46.193.64.81]] 16:34, 2 December 2015 (EST) |
| ::::It's not our responsibility for PM to be "alive", and continuing to treat it as its own game warranting all those character pages is a dubious proposition at this point. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:54, 2 December 2015 (EST) | | ::::It's not our responsibility for PM to be "alive", and continuing to treat it as its own game warranting all those character pages is a dubious proposition at this point. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:54, 2 December 2015 (EST) |
| :::::I'd be okay with giving them some mention, but I think we should avoid character pages unless tournaments start using this leaked build somehow. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 16:55, 2 December 2015 (EST)
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| :::::I don't know about giving full pages to the leaks, but I feel like whether to cease giving character pages to the other characters and roll back PM coverage entirely should be based on whether or not it's still being used by tournaments, not whether it's still being developed. After all, Melee hasn't been developed for 14 years. Smashwiki shouldn't feel responsible to keep it alive, but I don't think they should abandon it unless it becomes very clear that it's dead. [[Special:Contributions/72.104.215.193|72.104.215.193]] 19:37, 5 December 2015 (EST)
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| ::::::I agree with this completely. If we are going to be a complete Smash wiki, we should have as much information as possible relating to mods as significant as ''Project M''. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 21:30, 5 December 2015 (EST)
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| :::::::PM was always a deliberate exception when it came to how the wiki handled fan content; that was made perfectly clear, as was that it was done because of how unexpectedly popular that the mod got. As the official development has ceased and its popularity starts to wane back into line with the other mods, I feel it'd be appropriate to pare back the amount of coverage it gets on this wiki. It may be a better idea to split it off into its own wiki elsewhere and renew our focus on the official material as things "go back to normal", so to speak. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 10:46, 8 December 2015 (EST)
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| <small>(reset indent)</small> I still think it's too early to consider Project M's popularity to have waned permanently. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:49, 8 December 2015 (EST)
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| For now, I've included mention of the fighters in the Characters section, but anything more needs significant discussion. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 17:28, 2 December 2015 (EST)
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| == "Was" ==
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| Is the word "was" used in this article because the team stopped developing newer revisions and PM can't be downloaded though their website anymore? I believe it is still played in tournaments, Anther's Ladder, and is still downloadable. They stopped making revisions but that doesn't mean it is not meant to be played anymore. -- [[User:Ethan7|Ethan7]] ([[User talk:Ethan7|talk]]) 15:45, 7 December 2015 (EST)
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| :I also feel that we should use the present tense. Balanced Brawl and Brawl+ also use the present tense on this wiki. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 21:54, 7 December 2015 (EST)
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| == 3.6 CC ==
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| Ok, we all know about this one I bet. I suggest adding it onto the revisions, or making notice of it in it's own small subject.
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| == PM Underground tier list... ==
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| Should the PM Underground list be considered official? If so, my proposal is to represent it as a table similar to the ones on the [[tier list]] page, while still maybe mentioning the other linked tier lists in prose. Right now it seems like somebody just linked to the list without considering the existing content, so this should probably be addressed in some fashion. [[User:Capefeather|Capefeather]] ([[User talk:Capefeather|talk]]) 22:13, 1 January 2016 (EST)
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| :I'd say wait, in case we get a Project M Backroom. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 22:26, 1 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::I could have swore we had a PM tier list somewhere. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 22:27, 1 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::[[Template:PMTiers|aha]]! <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 22:28, 1 January 2016 (EST)
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| :I don't consider this to be official. Frankly, I don't think we should bother covering competitive PM that doesn't include Knuckles, but that's my opinion. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 22:36, 1 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::But he was never "official" was he? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 22:39, 1 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::I see your point, but I fail to see why the community is just passing by several completed characters. If people want PM to survive, it needs to offer something the other games don't have. "Balance" is not that thing, despite what that tier list may suggest. When was the last time a major PM tourney was played? If there was one, I probably would have heard of it. I'm aware of Shots Fired 2, but who knows what version of PM they'll use, and they announced the event before PM development was ended. The way I see it, anybody's opinion on what is tournament legal and what is not is just as valuable as anybody else's. Do you understand what I'm trying to get at? <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 22:56, 1 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::I've given this some thought. PMDT only wants us to play the last "official" version. [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|So why don't we?]] Everyone's definition on what is "official" is differs when it comes to modding. You could argue that nothing is. That's part of the reason I think it wouldn't hurt to scale back on some of the PM content. I have an idea on some stuff that is unnecessary on the character pages, namely the update histories. However, waiting until Shots Fired 2 might be wise. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 00:30, 2 January 2016 (EST)
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| == What happens if Nintendo finds out you are playing it? ==
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| I don't know but someone said you would get banned online forever. I'm nerveous. P.S. I'm doing it secretly, no one will know.[[User:Swagman|Swagman]] ([[User talk:Swagman|talk]]) 20:47, 31 January 2016 (EST)
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| :I doubt it. Many people do it. [[User:Penro|Penro, the]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px|Dark Pit]] and [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px|ZSS]] main. 20:50, 31 January 2016 (EST)
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| Yeah, he also said that, and that I get rid of it to be safe, but you are right![[User:Swagman|Swagman]] ([[User talk:Swagman|talk]]) 20:59, 31 January 2016 (EST)
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| == Smash Bros. Legacy ==
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| A new team of developers have decided to continue Project M's ideas, known as "Smash Bros. Legacy." (I may be a little late on this, btw...)
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| http://www.smashbroslegacy.com/
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| Are we able to add information about this, whether on Project M's page or otherwise? I don't have the necessary applications to download this myself, but would this be worth noting or no? ([[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 12:05, 14 April 2016 (EDT))
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| :To my understanding, it's a PM mod, therefore making it a mod of a mod. I personally wouldn't add info on it here. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Dragon Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 12:10, 14 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::SmashWiki focuses on the competitive aspect of games. Seeing as that, I don't think this counts, as 1. It hasn't reached anywhere Near the popularity of PM, and 2. No attributes are changed, so functionally it's exactly the same. Just my opinion.[[User:DekZek|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Dek'''</font><font color="Blue">'''Zek'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 12:35, 14 April 2016 (EDT)
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| == Unused Content...in general ==
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| I know it's been dead since December, but...I was thinking, would it hurt if we placed an "Unused Content" section after the Release History section? Asking because I found a website with every further unused content from Project M. If you're against this, you have EVERY right to criticize! I just thought I'd ask.
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| Here's the [https://gamingreinvented.com/news/new-project-m-content-leaked-v/ link] in question. Please ignore the stuff after the last picture. [[User:Hylia's Eye|Hylia's Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia's Eye|talk]]) 15:44, 5 October 2016 (EDT)
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| :Not acceptable. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:46, 5 October 2016 (EDT)
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| ::Yeah pretty sure we decided somewhere that PM unused stuff was not notable enough to mention. <span style="font-family:Chiller;font-size:18px;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #222">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSigHalloween.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">King</span>]]</span> 18:49, 5 October 2016 (EDT)
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| == Recent edit ==
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| This recent edit (the one with the IP) was made by me, but the expired session locked me out due to multiple proofreading and revising before I settled on the change. So [[Special:Contributions/67.177.150.42|this IP]] and I are one and the same. --[[User:HillustrationM|HillustrationM]] ([[User talk:HillustrationM|talk]]) 18:24, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
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| :That's fine. Just remember to never use "you" or "your" unless quoting. <span style="font-family:Chiller;font-size:18px;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #222">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSigHalloween.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">King</span>]]</span> 18:27, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
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| == Issue Rebranding ==
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| I made the following change on August 2nd, [[Project M#Errors|adding this to the Errors section]]:
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| <pre>The mod will also freeze in [[10-Man_mode|10-Man Smash]] when spawning the CPU-controlled version of {{PM|Mewtwo}} and {{PM|Roy}}.</pre>
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| Well, I made the change at a time where it did crash, but now, it isn't. [[User: Bowser vs Bowser Jr.|Bowser vs Bowser Jr]] confirmed it on the Wii, so I decided to rebrand the statement as a console-only issue. I could be wrong again, but this is the way I can explain my latest edit. Thanks!
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| --[[User:HillustrationM|HillustrationM]] ([[User talk:HillustrationM|talk]]) 19:40, 13 November 2016 (EST)
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| == "Upper-mid tier" ==
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| Zelda is in the middle of C-tier, behind over three-quarters of the cast. I don't know how to describe it, but "upper mid-tier" is definitely not it. --[[Special:Contributions/121.127.211.201|121.127.211.201]] 20:33, 3 March 2017 (EST)
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| == Legacy mods ==
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| Should there be a mention/page for Legacy XP and Legacy TE?
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| Now that there are three of them, they should be at least acknowledged due to their similarities to Project M. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 11:13, 27 February 2019 (EST)
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| :It looks good so far. I've had to correct some misinformation about them, so I'll do my best to keep an eye on the other changes made, if any. I think it would be a mistake to add many other mods other than Legacy TE, Legacy XP, and Project+, only because there are so many out there, and those three are probably the most popular PM-derivatives. [[File:SSB Symbol (flat).png|18px]] <span style="font-family: Segoe WP; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold"> [[User:Davidvkimball|<font color="black">davidvkimball</font>]]</span> 20:55, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
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| == can we convert this to P+? ==
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| P+ is basically considered as the official update to PM [[User:Zachula5|Zachula5]] ([[User talk:Zachula5|talk]]) 19:59, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
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| I mean even in the competitive scene almost everybody has dropped PM for P+.
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| == Discluded Melee Tech ==
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| V-cancelling is not the only known Melee advanced technique to not return in PM/+. Sticky walking and Charlie walking come to mind, light-shielding mechanics, melee tether AT's... I'm sure there's more.
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| == Character Pages for Legacy XP ==
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| I'm starting to feel like the characters from Legacy TE and XP are being left out. Can we make pages for these? [[User:SuperPiranha85]] [[User talk:SuperPiranha85]]
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| :[[Forum:The Project M debate|Project M]], [[Forum:P+ content|P+]], and [[Forum:Smash Remix content Part 2|Smash Remix]] all had lengthy discussions to be given more recognition on the wiki. You'll need to do similar if you want those mods to have more than a mention on another article. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 15:33, May 9, 2024 (EDT)
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