Editing Talk:Past Stages

SSB4 past stages were never called 'familiar stages'. In the Direct, the 'familiar stages' was merely a statement to the audience saying that these stages are familiar, since they've appeared in Smash before. [[User:CloudSmash|CloudSmash]] ([[User talk:CloudSmash|talk]]) 04:29, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

== Move? ==

I '''oppose''' a move. Past Stages is just as generic and is also an official term. <small>''---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 15:04, 4 November 2014 (EST)
:'''Oppose'''. "Returning" and "past" are somewhat—but not quite—synonyms, as in "to return from somewhere different (in this case, the previous game)". So there would be ''no'' reason whatsoever to move this. <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 15:11, 4 November 2014 (EST)
'''Oppose''', "Returning Stages" has never been used to describe these stages, "Familiar Stages" however, has been used in two games, where as "Past Stages" has been used in one, however Past Stages is more generic, catch-all, and was used first so I won't argue that it shouldn't be the main title, but I will argue that Returning Stages shouldn't be used, heck I don't even think it deserves a redirect. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 14:14, 16 December 2014 (EST)
:'''Oppose''' for the reasons said above. [[File:TepigSprite.png]][[User:Tepig|Tepig]] ([[User talk:Tepig|talk]]) 14:30, 16 December 2014 (EST)
:'''Oppose''' and since this hasn't been touched since December and has no support, I am removing the tag. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 13:40, 14 May 2015 (EDT)

== Deletion ==

I don't believe the fact that a stage is in more than one game is the basis for its own article. Almost all of the information on the page is listed in nearly the same format on [[stage]]. [[Past stages]], [[familiar stage]], [[returning stage]] could all redirect to a sub-header on the main stage article. [[User:Smore|Smore]] ([[User talk:Smore|talk]]) 09:53, July 13, 2019 (EDT)
:'''Delete''' It used to be special/unique when a stage returned from a previous game. Since this is not the case anymore, I agree that this page can go. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Ghostbuster 12:04, July 13, 2019 (EDT)
::'''Oppose''' while it’s no longer special if a stage was in multiple games, there was a distinction between past stages and new stages beyond newness in Melee and Brawl. Not only were they given specific monikers (past stages and melee stages), but they were also never used as a character’s [[Home stage]] (which has also kind of died off after 3DS). Nowadays, yes, they’re not special anymore, but back in Melee and Brawl, they kind of were. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 14:20, July 13, 2019 (EDT)
:::I also '''oppose''', parroting Lou Cena - something may be unimportant now, but that doesn't mean it wasn't important at all. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 14:24, July 13, 2019 (EDT)
::::The question is, is it enough to warrant its own article. They were only special in Melee and Brawl. I think the amount of information/explanation that exists for Past Stages in Melee and Melee Stages in Brawl is very minimal; basically just a sentence stating that they had a special name and were separate (to a degree). The sections for the games past Brawl are only here to prevent this article from being a stub (in my view). [[User:Smore|Smore]] ([[User talk:Smore|talk]]) 15:03, July 13, 2019 (EDT)
:::::If we keep this page, I would at least propose differentiating between ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', which have returning stages as a separate section from the new ones, and ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'', which freely intertwine the old stages with the new. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 15:24, July 13, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::Why should we have 2 separate stages for what is generally the same concept? [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 18:51, July 13, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::I wasn't necessarily saying we should split them into separate pages. Rather, they're just treated inherently differently between games and should be acknowledged as such. "Past Stages" in ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'' are just the same as any other stage, being the majority of ''Ultimate''{{'}}s roster, compared to them being a limited, exclusive selection in the previous two games. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 19:14, July 13, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::'''Oppose''' Same reason as <strike>Toomai</strike>. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164{{#if:|_({{{3}}})}}|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  19:22, October 6, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::Toomai supported deletion, though... [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''the Spooky Rurouni'''</span>]] 19:33, October 6, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::Sorry, I was expecting either "Support" or "Oppose" though. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164{{#if:|_({{{3}}})}}|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is bad for me  22:38, October 6, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::So I believe that this page should be deleted and instead redirect to a page (but idk) [[User:Countmevin|japan]]  18:08, October 16, 2019 (EDT)

<s>'''Oppose''' per reasons above. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 01:32, August 7, 2019 (EDT)</s>

So this seems to be a pretty even discussion. I'd like to bump this so we can figure out if this truly should get deleted. I, for one, think this page should stay, but changed to only focus on its usages in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', since in ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'', it's obsolete. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 18:03, November 14, 2019 (EST)
:'''Support''' I still believe that this information would be better suited on the main [[stage]] article, but I can readily accept the compromise of trimming the page to only talk about the Past Stages in Melee and the Melee Stages in Brawl. (Maybe a small blurb could exist as a description for the returning stages in Smash 4, Ultimate, and possible future games.) [[User:Smore|Smore]] ([[User talk:Smore|talk]]) 07:18, November 15, 2019 (EST)

I accept this as it's own article too, should we remove the tag? [[User:Lucina-is-better-than-marth|Lucina-is-better-than-marth]] ([[User talk:Lucina-is-better-than-marth|talk]]) 09:53, November 19, 2019 (EST)

'''Make it a disambiguation page''' There's no need for all of this information, but it also can't be an easy redirect. Thus, we should make this into a short disambiguation page, with links to the sub-sections of the stage pages for Melee, Brawl, and 4, plus a quick note that virtually all stages return in Ultimate. Happy to do this myself if we have consensus (old sysop me would have just done it here and now). [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 13:09, March 25, 2020 (EDT)

I now '''support''' Aidan's idea to only have this focus on its usage in Melee and Brawl. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] ([[User talk:Awesomelink234|talk]]) 18:04, April 3, 2020 (EDT)
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