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oddeven2002: Congrats on becoming an offical Wiki site! I will (hopefully) finish the stages tomorrow, it someone wants to put pictures on there, you would be my hero.
:Hey, thanks for helping us out. For what it's worth a little while back I created a section on stages for Melee World [http://smashbrosmelee.com/stages here]. Feel free to copy and paste the content from those pages over. I did [[Corneria]] already, but I think the page design might still need some work. (Don't let that stop you, though.) --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 03:43, July 26, 2006 (GMT)

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Mr Ng: So, um, just to let all y'all know, Mr Ng = TheIceDragon = Sars_Pirate.  >_>  That is all.
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oddeven2002: Oh! Ok, Hi TID, Thanks for helping me out with character Pros and Cons.
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==Editing Talk Pages==
Talk pages are way easier to follow when everything's in a section and everyone signs their post at the end (click the signature icon in the bar above the edit box). 'Cause you know, it's how Wikipedia does it, and if it's good enough for them.... --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 03:43, July 26, 2006 (GMT)

o_o Whee! --[[User:Pyoro T|Pyoro T]] 22:24, July 27, 2006 (GMT)

==Image captions on character pages==
I've removed the image captions for several characters from their pages. IMO saying "Peach, from the Super Mario Bros." series in the infobox at the top of [[Peach]] is redundant, and the extra border is unnecessary. (For clarity, these captions are under the first picture at the top of each article, within the character intro table.) --[[User:Nealdt|Nealdt]] 01:08, July 30, 2006 (GMT)

== SSB vs SSBM character pages ==

Should characters who appear in both SSB and SSBM (and, by extension, SSBB) have separate pages for each game? Along the lines of [[Mario (SSB)]], [[Mario (SSBM)]], and [[Mario (SSBB)]], with [[Mario]] having general information about the character and links to each game page? I think this is the most logical way to separate information from the three games, since facts like tier/ranking, strengths/weaknesses, and move lists obviously change from game to game. --[[User:Nealdt|Nealdt]] 01:47, July 30, 2006 (GMT)

: Check [[User:Kirby King/Character disambiguation]]. I'm not sure if we should include generic information about the character on the disambiguation page, but I'm guessing whatever we did include we could link to on the other pages (and for characters only appearing in one game, we'd include it on the same page as we do now). --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 17:11, July 30, 2006 (GMT)

:: Well, I guess now's as good as any a time to bring this question back.  All our character articles have copious information about their SSBM self, but we have very little SSB-oriented information. Should we add such information in a separate article, perhaps [[Mario (SSB)]] or Mario/SSB?  Some of the character articles are incredibly long as it is ([[Peach]] is SmashWiki's biggest article). --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 18:03, December 13, 2006 (GMT)

== Where can we go to debate character traits ==

The Wiki team should have a meeting place or maybe we can get together at a chatroom or something so we can discuss things that we bicker over. There are some details that I'd like to address with the characters, but I don't want to change anything without general agreement.
--[[User:Mr Ng|Mr Ng]] 04:31, July 30, 2006 (GMT

: That's what talk pages are for. Use the tab that says "discussion" on top of a page, and if you don't get any feedback, you can assume there aren't any objections. (If there are, the objectors should leave a comment to that effect on the talk page, at least after you make the changes. Or, even if they don't, you'll see who they are when the edit the page back.) --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 04:34, July 30, 2006 (GMT)

I believe we need to have a completely seperate character page for each game. --[[User:Peaches|Peaches]]

: <del>That's a suggestion that floated around in my mind, but I never wrote down.  One problem is that we don't have any SSB strategies for characters, and few if any of the editors here know much about competitive SSB (correct me if I'm wrong, of course).  For the time being I should think it best to keep most of the articles Melee-oriented (including the characters), but it should be an eventual goal to fully incorporate SSB64 (and Brawl) into the Wiki. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 03:43, January 10, 2007 (GMT)</del>

:: Well, it seems I'm too late.  It looks like Jigglypuff (SSB) is working out nicely - I haven't seen if any other articles have started that direction. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 03:49, January 10, 2007 (GMT)

== What links should we provide in the character specific sections? ==

After looking through MookieRah's work, I think that every character needs a set of links for players to refer to. The first should be the best FAQ for that character we can find. If there isn't one, too bad. :( Next should be video tutorials and links to combo vids since those will show players how to play and what happens when you apply all this knowledge. And the last thing, we should decide whether or not we want a mass compilation of 1 vs 1s. This is easy to come by for low tier/odd characters since there are threads like this floating around on smashboards. But the problem comes in when we get to higher tier characters, we may have to start from scratch and compile a crapload of vids because of their popularity.--[[User:Mr Ng|Mr Ng]] 04:34, July 31, 2006 (GMT)

== Bug in Articles ==

I noticed that 2 pages can be created with the same name but different case such as [[Wall of Pain]] and [[Wall of pain]], but 1 cannot be redirected to the other it seems.  Anything we can do to fix this problem? --[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 08:33, August 4, 2006 (GMT)
: They do, in fact, redirect to each other. --[[User:Nealdt|nealdt]] 16:18, August 4, 2006 (GMT)

: wow....it did fix....i wondr if it was my browser cache or something causing it for me...--[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 01:38, August 5, 2006 (GMT)

== Player pages ==

Ok, these are getting out of hand. Who are [[Gooba]], [[JaCk]], and the 500 other people who suddenly have their own pages on this wiki? Are we suddenly making a page for every single person to ever play the game? What use is this to the general Smash public? Keep this sorta stuff on the GSC and not on a wiki. If people want a page about themselves, let them create a user page. We have [http://www.smashwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=2 an entire namespace for them], after all. --[[User:Nealdt|nealdt]] 05:17, August 5, 2006 (GMT)

That's my doing.  I didn't realize there was a limit to what can be put on here.  What I am doing is making pages about things that are part of the smash bros community to provide info to everyone.  I am not putting up any false info or even opinions(so and so is a pro cause i think he is).  Also, Ken didn't make his own page, sum1 made it for him.  I am also responisble for the [[Smasher]]s category where all the added names are listed.  Not all smashers are gonna come to this wiki and having info on them here is legitimate info.  People coming to this wiki wont have to wade thru player pages to get to what they want, so they arent in anyone's way.  Is there a limit to the amount of things that can go into this wiki? --[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 05:32, August 5, 2006 (GMT)

Also,  I added the entire [[GSC]] list of players from Europe and Asia to the smashwiki, but I will stop for now until we talk about this more...and i imagine a lot of US players will probably be adding themselves while im not.--[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 05:35, August 5, 2006 (GMT)

: There is no technical limit (aside from database size) on what can and cannot be on here. It's more a question of keeping things clean and organized, and focusing our efforts on information that the general public will find useful. It doesn't help that we haven't set out a clear outline of what we want this wiki to be ("everything about Smash" isn't very helpful). I personally feel that no one should have a personal page outside of the User: namespace except for influential smashers (tournament winners, trailblazers, and others that the majority of the community recognize as influential), and that page should be about their influence, not just a list of all their cool accomplishments and why they're so awesome. But that's just my opinion. Clearly we need to have an official talk about this. Kirby King? --[[User:Nealdt|nealdt]] 05:48, August 5, 2006 (GMT)

: Neal, agreed that not everyone needs their own page, but I don't think we should make it a particular chore to erase all these pages.  If they want their fifteen minutes of fame, let them have it, and we have the "Pros" page for all the major influences.  However, we should put a stated rule somewhere that says don't make a player page if you don't have anything important to share (I am in fact guilty of making the Rupee crew page), to keep out unneccesary clutter. --[[User:Technomancer|Technomancer]] 10:50, August 5, 2006 (GMT)

:: One of the things that's bothering me is that there are a number of User pages that simply redirect to that person's entry in the main namespace. It's okay if you include a link to your page on your user page (I guess, at least as long as you have one), but user pages really should be primarily for users in the context of this wiki. Especially if someone wants to leave you a message, and doesn't notice that when they click your name and then "talk," they're leaving a message in the wrong place. As for whether or not we should include pages for everyone to ever play Smash, I tend to think we shouldn't. I started [[SmashWiki:Scope]] to try to address the topics we want to include on the wiki, but don't think that that's at all complete at this point (and don't mind the fact that it's currently based on a list of goals that does not, as of yet, exist). Even if we do include pages on a lot of different people, however, I do insist that only those who may be objectively considered "major players" be on any compilation lists of major players (or pros, or whatever term you want to use). This is simply in the name of usefulness; a list of everyone to ever play doesn't benefit the community at all (as has been said). At the same time, a page about an insignificant player that no one ever links to doesn't do anyone any good either, but I won't get too far into that right now. --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 17:09, August 5, 2006 (GMT)

:Should we put a number cap on the amount of players from a region per character?  I know we'll be excluding a lot and make judgements on who we think are better, but I think that five per character should be enough (5 because of the ridiculous amount of Fox/Peach/etc players). Also, if we do decide to do a number cap, we should aim at being more diverse and include players who are notable for having different play styles (Mike G's Peach compared to Vidjo's Peach).

I still don't see a reason why not to.  Smash info is smash info an if there is no limit to the number of pages that this thing can have then how is it any kind of problem at all? Even with any player making their own page we could still easily separate the more influential ones from teh regular ones by number of links to those players and by the categories they are in. --[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 04:04, August 6, 2006 (GMT)

:One reason, which may not be significant enough on its own, would be, as I'm clicking Random page to look for something new or exciting, half the time it goes to some players page, who I've never heard of, and it basically only says who they play, which is not really interesting or exciting to learn. Perhaps if you put in a story or biography for each one then that would warrant adding new players.  --[[User:Ender|ender]] 21:43, August 28, 2006 (GMT)

::I have the same problem.  I actually use random page to look for articles about key subjects that are poorly written (so I can improve them and stuff), but I don't want to edit an article about some Peach player in Missouri I've never heard of.  I'm not littering SmashWiki with a page about my Smashing skill (or lack thereof).  Though I'm a longtime member of GameFAQs and Smashboards, I haven't had enough influence on the Smash community to merit an article.  Similarly, almost everybody with a Smash page does not deserve one.  We should catalogue crews that have great geographic importance (Smash-Mex, TSA), and players with at least some influence in the community (everyone from Ken to KishSquared), but I'd keep it to that. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 08:15, September 29, 2006 (GMT)

Either some panel should vote on the notability of players and delete useless pages about LinkMaster007 and noobRoy89, or there should be a category for notable smashers.  Perhaps that should replace the pro category--I don't even know what pro means, but it seems to imply skilled players and not important contributors so much.  I don't like it. [[User:And per se Andy|And per se Andy]] 01:12, January 27, 2007 (GMT)
:Whoa, no one has been talking about this for a long time?  Well, I think it's important. [[User:And per se Andy|And per se Andy]] 01:14, January 27, 2007 (GMT)
::Well, it's been on the backburner for a while but it's still a problem. I don't think it's TOO much of a problem to let random people have their own page (at this stage we need to invite people to help, and they'll be driven away if we're snippy about notability), but I agree that we should distinguish the important Smashers from the random LinkMaster007s.  I don't know how we'd set up such a panel.  The best thing I can do, for now, is to improve articles about the important Smashers, like [[Isai]] or [[Azen]]. {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 21:07, January 28, 2007 (GMT)

== Autoredirect ==

I'm helping out with the trophy section of the wiki and I created the [[Mario & Yoshi:trophy]] article.  Everything was fine while I was creating it until I was finished and it decided to autoredirect me to the [[Mario]] page.  I even tried recreating it and eliminating the spaces by making the [[Mario&Yoshi:trophy]] page, but I was still redirected.  Why does this happen?  Shuold I use 'and' instead of '&'? --[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 04:24, August 7, 2006 (GMT)

Yeah, and would be more appropriate. Ampersands are used in the URL for PHP direction, so what you're doing, is using the ampersand to block the URL at "Mario". --[[User:Pyoro T|Pyoro T]] 00:44, August 27, 2006 (GMT)

== Techniques and Strategies ==

Since these sections have still not been created, should we continue to link to them from the main page?  It seems to me that "gameplay" encompasses everything "techniques" would include, anyways, and nobody has ever catalogued "strategies" in a meaningful way.  --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 14:30, October 17, 2006 (GMT)

== Article of the day ==

We aren't big enough (and we have too few good articles) to start doing this, but to encourage people to write articles well we could start doing something like an "article of the week."  Just an idea.  The main page looks a little sparse.  --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 15:03, October 17, 2006 (GMT)


== SmashWiki on Wikipedia ==
Since early September, I have been hard at work using my "bureaucracy" talent to attempt to get Smash Wiki on the wikipedia, SSBM page for external links. I have been denied with the following message:

 "The fact it's newer, means it shouldn't be in external links yet. Wikipedia isn't the place to spam your fan sites and/or personal wiki sites. "

I gave the link, and I'd bet that the person didn't even so much as go to the site and look around. Really, I'm still fighting and biting and grinding, but I won't rest untill I see this Wiki on that Wiki. - [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]]


:And remember: the biggest factor in this happening is the quality of this Wiki! Not only must new pages be created, but those existing pages must be expanded and improved! Also, I feel that we should focus on filling the main body of work, beginning with characters/stages/items, i.e., all things regarded the game directly first. Second priority should be community promotion, linking of sites (SWF, MLG, Smash Dojo) and information on the competitive scene. Finally should come crew pages and individual smashers. While all of these things should be done, our goals need prioritization to be successful.--[[User:Delphiki|Delphiki]] 00:53, October 30, 2006 (GMT)


:: You're absolutely right. We need another wave of activity. I'm sure we all can admit that we have been rather lazy about this site, and I vow to improve my habits and help out a lot more. Let's all do that! I really am sorry for not being as active as I should be, and I will continue my Smashwiki work. We need motivation people! Here's a list of priorities in order from greatest need, from least need.
1. Detail, fillers, info, EXPANSION! Let's get this site filled!
2. Advertisement, threads on whatever Smash forums you have.
4. More active SmashWiki members.
3. More information on individual smashers and crews.

I really want to see this site really soar! Starting today, this will be a new site, I swear it. No looking back now.[[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 05:17, October 30, 2006 (GMT)


:: I'll definitely help out...I already advertise the smashwiki like everywhere^_^--[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 09:58, October 30, 2006 (GMT)

More advertising is always a good idea.  I'll take a step back from my personal projects to fix up the high-traffic pages, until SmashWiki is presentable. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 17:19, October 30, 2006 (GMT)

== Trophy Images ==

Up until now i have been the only one making and editting trophy pages, but recently some others have started to.  I have been careful to collect pictures of the trophies that do not have the watermark from another website, but recently some pics have been put up with emblems from other sites on them....here is an example: [[Igglybuff (trophy)]].  I want to know if we should worry about that.--[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 00:07, November 7, 2006 (GMT)

Yeah, I wasn't sure whether or not that it was OK, so I just posted the URL instead of uploading the image. That way it would be easier to remove, in case it was decided against.
--[[User:Respawn|Respawn]] 00:35, November 7, 2006 (GMT)

== Import ==

Sorry, before I actually knew this wiki existed (I DID Google) I made a crappy hosted wiki at [http://smashbros.elwiki.com/ smashbros.elwiki.com]. Now, I want you to import pages please. [http://smashbros.elwiki.com/Special:Allpages] &ndash; [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 21:00, November 13, 2006 (GMT)

: I just looked at your wiki, and it's designed quite well.  I like the main page and the navigation better there than here.  We should definitely incorporate some of those elements into this wiki.  And, of course, import worthy articles. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 14:57, December 22, 2006 (GMT)

:: Did you like it? Thanks. Hope they will import them soon. &ndash; [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 18:46, January 7, 2007 (GMT)

== 1000 hits ==

The main page has almost 1000 hits now <'''<font color="ffbbbb"><big>(</big></font color>'''<font color="ff0000">-</font color>'.'<font color="ff0000">-</font color><'''<font color="ffbbbb"><big>)</big></font color>''' &ndash; [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 20:28, December 15, 2006 (GMT)

You mean '''10,000'''.  Of course, a lot of these are the same people "hitting" the main page every other time they log on. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 20:28, December 20, 2006 (GMT)

:Yeah, 10000. &ndash; [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 18:46, January 7, 2007 (GMT)

== good news^_^ ==

im happy to report that smashwiki is fully usable with the WII BROWSER!--[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 12:13, December 22, 2006 (GMT)

SHWING! Haha, that's great! --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 14:51, December 22, 2006 (GMT)

Score! I can't wait to try it out (with my Wii I got on launch day, </gloat>) I hope they're won't be any annoying kinks, I can't help but feel that's going to be an issue. Maybe I'm just a pesimist. [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 20:31, December 22, 2006 (GMT)

I still don't have one... *sulks in corner*
I thought the Wii was supposed to use Opera... or is that just a dowloadable option? If it does use Opera, then there shouldn't be any problems. --[[User:Respawn|Respawn]] 21:19, December 22, 2006 (GMT)

== Character Match-ups ==

While perusing the Samus board on SWF, I came across [http://thebuzzsaw.googlepages.com/ags.htm Aftermath's guide to Samus]. I really like how this page was designed (besides the 1st person viewpoint), and I noticed that at the bottom it had sections for match-ups against certain characters. So I thought, wouldn't it be a nice addition if SmashWiki included pages for character match-ups?
I think it would be best if each character had a page for their match-ups separate from the actual character pages, so as not to clutter them up. For example, you could have a Samus Character Match-up page, and several strategies for every character (opponent) would be featured on that page, each with its own little section. Just a thought, tell me what you think.--[[User:Respawn|Respawn]] 23:40, January 4, 2007 (GMT)

: I like it, especially considering that some character pages (particularly [[Peach]] and [[Mewtwo]]) are way too large.  Maybe we can tie this into Phanna's [http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=92025 matchup chart], considering both projects seem to be of the same spirit. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 00:34, January 5, 2007 (GMT)

::Yeah, but how often does phanna update that? I can only recall two or three updates, but I could be wrong. Back to the topic at hand, is that a green light to start this thing? I don't want to go off on some big project without proper consent first. I want to make sure I've got the format ready, so that the pages don't require a bunch of cleanup.--[[User:Respawn|Respawn]] 00:15, January 9, 2007 (GMT)

:::You have my strong support.  What I was thinking about, with the comment about phanna's project, is that it would be much quicker to incorporate a "living document" on a Wiki than when it is run by just one person.  Your idea has the same goal as phanna's project and now-defunct RiTT, but is much more likely to succeed than either. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 19:59, January 9, 2007 (GMT)

Alright, I've begun setting it up. For ideas and suggestions on format, please go [http://www.smashwiki.com/wiki/Category_talk:Character_Match-ups here]. I have yet to place phanna's pic in there, if you or anybody else wants to do that, I think it would look nice on the category page. Edit: I just took a look at RiTT, (for the first time). Let me guess... MaskedSheik? (lol) Anyways, I took a look around, quite complicated yet in-depth. Definitely a place to go for some ideas .--[[User:Respawn|Respawn]] 21:27, January 9, 2007 (GMT)


==Kudos!==
As of late, this site has become significantly more active. I've noticed it. The site's not done yet, but it's certainly going somewhere! Thanks for all the work you ALL put in, guys. Good job. [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 18:07, January 13, 2007 (GMT)
: What the first guy said &ndash; [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 19:05, January 13, 2007 (GMT)
:: Sweet! --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 19:44, January 13, 2007 (GMT)
::: I've noticed it too. I'm a regular on the GameFAQs SSBB boards (Under the name Missing_My_Head), and people have been linking to and asking about the site quite a bit. [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 07:47, January 24, 2007 (GMT)

== Mergism thoughts? ==

In SSB, [[Meowth]] is a Pokemon that comes out of a Poke-Ball. In SSBM, Meowth is a trophy. These are two very separate representations of the character, sure, but are they meant to stay in separate pages? Or should there be one Meowth page that talks about both? I'm not very sure yet how specific SmashWiki wants to be with these sorts of things. [[User:Erik the Appreciator|Erik the Appreciator]] 00:05, January 25, 2007 (GMT)

:I'm also noticing how [[Andross]] covers both SSBM trophies in one page, which is inconsistent with the Meowth example above. There'll need to be some level of consistency in covering characters that occur in various forms in the SSB series. Here's my proposal: Wherever applicable, make articles based on and named after the Ninteno character and have it go into detail all the appearances and cameos of that character throughout the Smash games. The article on Andross should provide a general description and backstory to the character Andross as seen in the [[Star Fox]] series, then have a section detailing his common trophy, then have a section detailing his rare trophy. Likewise, the article on [[Chansey]] should provide Pokedex-based info first as the page's character exposition, then an SSB section about Chansey with subsections about how it appears as a Poke-Ball Pokemon in SSB and then how it appears in the Saffron City stage, and then an SSBM section about Chansey with subsections about how it appears as a Poke-Ball Item in SSBM and as a Trophy. I think it works best for the people who would go through the trouble to type down Andross or Chansey in the Search feature. [[User:Erik the Appreciator|Erik the Appreciator]] 00:26, January 25, 2007 (GMT)

== URL ==

www.smashwiki.com brings you to a blank page with "Nothing to see here."  Wouldn't it be nice if it redirected to the main index?[[User:And per se Andy|And per se Andy]] 19:23, January 26, 2007 (GMT)
: Agree. {{user:altAcnt/sig|21:27, January 26, 2007 (GMT)}}

:I think that's because we're waiting for the site to be presentable before the "Grand Opening". Once we get everything all set up, they'll probably redirect it.--[[User:Respawn|Respawn]] 21:58, January 26, 2007 (GMT)

== Whoa...Is this just my computer, or do we have a problem? ==

When I search for the word "Shell," it brings up a "403 - Forbidden" error message. Now, my current computer is about as intelligent as a block of styrofoam, and my internet connection leaves a lot to be desired, so it may just be me, but can someone else try it on their computer? I'll try it on some of my others. [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 09:53, January 27, 2007 (GMT)
:I tried it again on my iMac, which uses Safari for internet browsing, as opposed to Internet Explorer, and it was fine. Maybe is has something to do with IE? I dunno... [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 09:55, January 27, 2007 (GMT)
: I use IE6 on Windows XP, the same happened to me WTFzorz. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 13:12, January 27, 2007 (GMT)

:No problem with Firefox.  Why would you use IE anyway? =) [[User:And per se Andy|And per se Andy]] 22:20, January 28, 2007 (GMT)

::Because it sucks. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 14:20, January 30, 2007 (GMT)

::Eh, it's just the browser that came with my computer. I'm switching to an iMac, soon, anyway. Just have to transfer my files. [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 10:38, January 29, 2007 (GMT)

:But, anyway, we'll need to fix this. "Shell" seems to cause problems for IE. And it doesn't have to just be Shell on its own. You can type in anything, and if Shell is in there, it goes nuts. Any theories on why the heck this would happen? [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 06:37, January 30, 2007 (GMT)

:Hmm, it happens with IE7 too. [[User:And per se Andy|And per se Andy]] 15:12, January 30, 2007 (GMT)

==Archive me!==

<nowiki>*Navi voice*</nowiki> LISTEN!  I recommend we move all discussion on Talk:Main Page to [[SmashWiki:Community Portal]].  It would seem best to centralize all general discussion on one page, instead of having it in two random locations.  {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 01:43, January 30, 2007 (GMT)

== Other wiki ==

Sorry, but there already is a wiki on Super Smash Bros. It can be found [http://smashwiki.com here]. &ndash; '''[[User:Smiddle|S]]'''[[User talk:Smiddle|middle]] 14:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

8'( ... [[User:Max2|Max2]] *sigh* ANOTHER dup. Wiki??? *sighs again*
: Also, I requested an SSB Wikia way before now... it wasn't approved... &ndash; '''[[User:Smiddle|S]]'''[[User talk:Smiddle|middle]] 19:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::Hi Smiddle. It was because we had received a few different applications that I realised this must be very popular and decided to make it now. If you'd like to be a joint-founder here, I can make you one since you were one of the people to propose this wiki. [[User:Angela|Angela]] <sup>[[User talk:Angela|talk]]</sup> 16:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

WAIT! You need to be logged on to a furom, give out your age, etc. for those who want privacy for that, this deserves to stay. [[User:Max2|Max2]] agree???
: The only reason you need to give your age out is that if you're below 12, they'l send your parents a letter an tell them you're a member of the forum. You can choose not to display your age. Besides, it's a lot easier to contribute to an already vibrant wiki, than creating lots of pages with info alrady existing. &ndash; '''[[User:Smiddle|S]]'''[[User talk:Smiddle|middle]] 21:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Some parents (aka. mine) don't want us (aka. me) to give out information like birthdate, where we live, adress, Email, etc. [[User:Max2|Max2]]

:Don't forget about licensing. It's sometimes nicer to work on a GFDL compatible wiki. Smashwiki doesn't list the license as that. ~[[Anime:User:Dantman|Dantman]]<small>-[[User:Dantman|local]]</small><sup>([[Anime:User talk:Dantman|Dantman]]&#124;[[User_talk:Dantman|local]])</sup> <small>Apr 6, 2007 <sub>@</sub> 06:41 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>

I don't understand what this vote below is about. What is it you're supporting? The existence of this wiki? [[User:Angela|Angela]] <sup>[[User talk:Angela|talk]]</sup> 17:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

yes. Support is if you want it to stay, Oppose is if you want to abandon and move to "the other Wiki" [[User:Max2|Max2]]

done. This Wiki stays. [[User:Max2|Max2]]

==Wikia Gaming footer==
Hello! I went ahead and added a Wikia Gaming footer to the bottom of the Main Page. We're trying to get Wikia's gaming wikis more linked with each other. It's not mandatory, so you can remove it if you really hate it, but it would be appreciated if you didn't :). You can change the links to point to any other wikia wikis you like or cooperate with. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 17:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

==Browse SmashWiki==

I took out the link to [[SmashWiki:Browse]] because it's redundant with the main page.  Should we expand the main page a little bit, to perhaps include "Smashers" as a category, or maybe link to some Help topics?  I plan to retouch the main page but I want to gather your opinions first. {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 17:56, February 5, 2007 (GMT)

: I'm not sure about including Smashers as a category, but I'm certainly open to other layouts for the Main Page. Maybe you could make a sample Main Page and put it as a subpage or a user page or something? Making the help section more obvious would make sense, I think. --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 20:36, February 5, 2007 (GMT)

== Main Page seems bare ==

Shouldn't the main pageinclude stuff, like, the current number of articles, and maybe, perhaps, an article of the day/week?  I'm just wondering, as mostother Wiki have those sort of things.  It's a work in progress, right?  There will be stuff like that eventually, right?

-[[User:Brawlmatt202|Brawlmatt202]], Feb. 6, 2007

: That's a good point.  The "article of the week" sounds like a good idea, and I think Alt's old wiki had something like "did you know?" that would be interesting to incorporate, too.  Since we're still in development (hmm, maybe we should include that fact in the main page!), I'd say it's better to brainstorm a little before making any big changes, as long as we have a bombastic main page when SmashWiki is fully released. {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 04:30, February 7, 2007 (GMT)

::I think articles of the week were discussed before. The problem was that we don't have many really good articles. Probably not enough to do without recurring pages. Development must be mentioned very subtily, if at all. We don't want a big posterboard board which basically screams "Wait! It's not done yet!" What exactly would the "Did you know?" incorporate? It seems like it could definitely be decent filler. -- [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 06:42, February 7, 2007 (GMT)

:::Well, Smiddle's old wiki can be found [http://smashbros.elwiki.com/Main_Page here].  So that's the type of "did you know" information we might have.  {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 03:32, February 8, 2007 (GMT)

::::Did you know, that Luigi's voice is in fact a sped up version of Mario's from Mario 64? I like the Did you know, and hell, I already learned something. I think it's a good idea. -- [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 04:45, February 8, 2007 (GMT)

:::::An article of the week (or day, or whatever) would be great, and an article counter would be perfect for measuring how close the site is to being "done." [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 02:16, February 10, 2007 (GMT)

::::::Also, having articles of the week will encourage better contributions and editing. In theory anyway. -- [[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 20:23, February 15, 2007 (GMT)

:::::::I certainly think so. I don't think an article of the week has to be a particularly good one, perhaps we can use such a feature to encourage a week's worth of activity to an article that desperately needs the thought. AOTW could be used more as an improvement drive than a quality showcase. I think the first such article should be one of the main game modes to the original [[Super Smash Bros]] to start with. [[User:Erik the Appreciator|Erik the Appreciator]] 04:53, February 16, 2007 (GMT)

:::::::: I agree about the improvement drive idea. I guess AotW is already for quality articles, but I think it's important that we include a few links to some articles that are in some real need of expansion and that we think casual users can contribute to if they come across it. --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 19:08, February 18, 2007 (GMT)
:::: I kinda like that I put heal instead of edit, records instead of history and so on ^_^ {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 19:36, February 18, 2007 (GMT)

::::: That will require tweaking the help articles to say "heal" instead of "edit," but I can do that. {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 22:52, February 18, 2007 (GMT)

::::::Uhh...heal? -- [[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 05:58, February 19, 2007 (GMT)

::::::: Alt's idea.  I was trying it out.  I think I'm changing it back though.  "Records" is clear, but "heal" isn't. {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 16:27, February 19, 2007 (GMT)

:::::::: I'm not honestly sold on the "records" idea. I'd rather keep things nice and clear, because if I didn't know that there's supposed to be a history tab there I don't think I'd get that that's what "records" is supposed to be. (Plus the tie-in to SSB seems pretty shaky to me.) --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 04:47, February 20, 2007 (GMT)

::::::::: "Records" does not make sense to me at all.  I think almost anyone would expect to see high scores when they click on it. [[User:And per se Andy|And per se Andy]] 14:31, February 22, 2007 (GMT)

:::::::::: "History" makes sense, there's a reason it's the default. Besides, there's certainly more important things to be worrying about on SmashWiki than distinguishing ourselves from other wikis with unorthodox names. -- [[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 15:14, February 22, 2007 (GMT) 

::::::::::: I changed it back. {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 15:21, February 22, 2007 (GMT)
::::::::::: "Records" also make sense. When we don't can find anything to worry about, the only thing to do ''is'' distinguishing ourselves from other wikis with unorthodox names. We want to be original, it's better to see some new stuff, than "Oh! A link saying 'history'! That's really original" and "The 'edit' button <u>really</u> surprised me". {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 15:35, February 22, 2007 (GMT)

:::::::::::: I'm not that concerned with distinguishing ourselves, really. How many other Smash Bros. wikis are out there? Even then it's much more important to me that we remain easy to use and edit, and changing all the labels around startled me, and I'm a sysop on this thing. (As a side note, when I see other wikis that play around with those labels, I think it's corny. It's putting form over function, at least to the extent to which a button's label can do such a thing.) --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 16:03, February 22, 2007 (GMT)

<dedent>I say, let's improve the articles before worrying about cute aesthetics.  I had my fun with the MediaWiki namespace; I think I'll leave the default settings as is (except for "discuss," which works nicely) {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 03:53, February 23, 2007 (GMT)

:: About the DYK: I think anything we put there must (a) be totally true, and not something that we can't actually verify like "Koopa was supposed to be in SSB64 but was cut due to time constraints," and (b) is actually mentioned in the associated articles. Right now, the fact about Mario's Wario costume is entirely true, but strangely enough the costume isn't mentioned on either Mario's page or Wario's. Seems to me if it's not worthy for inclusion on those pages, it's ''way'' too trivial to be Main Page material. --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 04:52, February 20, 2007 (GMT)
::: Maybe. I have an idea [[SmashWiki talk:Did you know#(choose)|here]] speaking about the DYK. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 07:56, February 20, 2007 (GMT)

== Page Layout ==

As we add things to the main page, I'm afraid that we're gravitating toward a layout that's a bit too Wikipedia-like. Does anyone want to try their hand at coming up with a design that seems a little less influenced directly by the English Wikipedia's [[wikipedia:Main Page|Main Page]]? --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 04:49, February 20, 2007 (GMT)
: What's so wrong about that? When I think at Wikipedia, I associate encyclopedia, facts, etc. So if the main page looks like Wikipedia's, then... {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 07:51, February 20, 2007 (GMT)

== Talk about irony... ==

The "under construction" link is ''broken''. We should probably remove it until the article actually exists. It's kind of embarrasing. [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 09:02, February 27, 2007 (GMT)

== In dire need of uniformity ==
I notice lots of different uses of tenses and POVs in naming schemes. For example, there are two articles for the Wall Jump, named Wall jump and Wall jumping. Also, we need to use proper title caps for article titles. "Wall jump" is not acceptable. I suggest a non plural(unless several types exist) and neutral tense titles. No "Wave Dashing", "wave Dashing", or "Bunny Hoods". "Beam Swords" might be acceptable if the article covers both Beam Swords in the series. Page URLs and locations are case sensitive. We MUST decide on a uniform naming system now, or we'll have a total mess. It would be best to get everything organized now, while the number of pages are small and link fixing is minimal.
[[User:Xnamkcor|xnamkcor]] 03/08/07 1600(AZ/US)
:This belongs in the [[SmashWiki:Pool Room|Pool Room]]. [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 18:16, March 9, 2007 (GMT)
:: Moved to the Pool Room. {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 19:36, March 9, 2007 (GMT)

== AOTW ==

doesn't seem to be showing up even after I changed the page, refreshed the page and even looked at it with a fresh browser.  it might just be my problem, but any weird edits to the main page are due to this reason. {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 03:13, March 12, 2007 (GMT)

: There we go.  Does anybody know if there's some weird property of using a template in a template like we are doing with the AOTW? {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 03:15, March 12, 2007 (GMT)
:: Try using <nowiki>{{Article of the Week/{{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTWEEK}}}}</nowiki> instead of just <nowiki>{{Article of the Week}}</nowiki>. For some reason it was a redlink when I edited it. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 18:20, March 12, 2007 (GMT)

On a related note, the current Article of the Week ([[Wavedash]]) did not receive any votes besides the nomination, so it became AOTW by default......it would be better if we voted and nominated more articles.  {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 03:26, March 12, 2007 (GMT)

:We also need a template or logo or something to show that it's featured. [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 22:22, March 12, 2007 (GMT)

:: The delayed posting has to do with the page cache. You can add "?action=purge" to the end of the address to refresh the cache. I'm not sure whether or not Alt's advice would make the page reload any faster or not, but it might have an impact. --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 03:32, March 13, 2007 (GMT)

== April Fools Day, anyone? ==

Think we could pull off a little AFD joke? Nothing too spectacular, just something simple, like making someone's user page a featured article, or changing the logo. [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 09:00, April 1, 2007 (GMT)
:Or I know! Add something ridiculous to the DYK, but make it a link to a page that says "April Fools!" [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 09:01, April 1, 2007 (GMT)

There is no reason for us to do anything themed or catchy or along the lines of an April's fools joke for that matter. This is an information site rather than a fan or forum site like the smashboards. Leave that for the smash boards. -homelessvagrant

== Balance ==

The left column is too long, and the right one is too... well, I guess you can guess. Short, duh. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 10:07, April 4, 2007 (GMT)

== Merging moves ==

I think that there should be one article about all of a characters' moves. Can't hurt, can it? - [[User:A Link to the Snitch|A Link to the Snitch]] 17:26, October 17, 2007 (EDT)

If Roy counter's an oil panic charged by 3 Pk flashes is the most powerful attack in the game.is that real? please check that i have 2 controllers and my big bro took my gc. and please see if it would be stronger with another counter or without any counter. Please because i think that isn't real, Roy's Counter isn't that strong.--[[User:Zinnamon|Zinnamon]] 22:13, October 20, 2007 (EDT)
:Nah, it's true. Roy's counter is potentially the strongest attack in the game, because it takes the damage that would be done to him and sends it back at 1.5x power. Also, Fox's reflector increases the power of projectiles by 1.5. Ness's PK Flash does 39 at max, so...<BR>
:39*1.5 = 59 (power of each Flash, reflected and rounded up)<BR>
:59*3 = 171 (Total power of Oil Panic)<BR>
:171*1.5 = 257 (Total power of Oil Panic, countered and rounded up).<BR>
:So... wait a second. Why does it say 372 damage on the DYK? >_> [[User:BurningCrusader777|NeonCrusader]] 20:34, December 27, 2007 (EST)
::Your right it is incorrect, not to mention that it could be double countered by another roy to add another 1.5x damage would bring it to 386 (rounded up)--[[User:Enshoku|Enshoku]] 02:51, February 5, 2008 (EST)

== Merry Christmas ==

Merry Christmas eve guys.--[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 02:01, December 24, 2007 (EST)


==Erm...==

I dunno if this is old or not, but...

[http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page  Another Smash Wiki?]

<_< [[User:Blaiken|Blaiken]] 16:52, January 16, 2007 (EST)

:That's that same Wikia-owned Wiki we were talking about before... I would like to make clear how that's different from this externally hosted wiki: That wiki emphasizes writing about the Smash Bros. franchise in encyclopedic style, while this wiki emphasizes writing about everything in the world that would be of interest and important to the Smash Bros. fan community (which is much broader in scope than the competing wiki over there), in relatively encyclopedic style. Also, that wiki being a Wikia wiki shares its license with Wikipedia itself, so that wiki can legally have copy-and-pasted text and images from Wikipedia, while we can't plagiarize either of them from Wikipedia and the competing Smash Bros. wiki because our license is different. [[User:Erik the Appreciator|Erik, Lord of Universes]] 02:20, January 17, 2008 (EST)

== Refinement ==

I feel that there are many certain acrticles that need refinement. It contains too much lingo and seems unprofessional. One example is the [Captain Falcon (SSBM)|Captain Falcon] article. Of course, I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing being relativley non-active here. [[User:Un1234l|Un1234l]] 18:12, February 2, 2008 (EST)

== Kamikaze ==
First of all, hello everyone. I signed up a few days ago, and I will contribute to this site frequently.
Now that I've introduced myself, I would like to bring up the article [[Kamikaze]] that I created. A few characters can use this sort of tactic. I know of Donkey Kong and Kirby. This is why I believe [[Kirbycide]] can be merged with [[Kamikaze]]. Kirbycide refers to Kirby's own kamikaze techniques, and it is well known because a professional uses them and coined the word. However, the field of kamikaze as a whole has been left neglected on the wiki. --[[User:Amygravity|Amygravity]] 13:34, February 10, 2008 (EST)
:Feel free to! --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042 w]) 16:42, February 10, 2008 (EST)

== Most powerful move? ==

I'm not sure, but wouldn't the most powerful move be 3 PK Flashes reflected by Fox, caught by Mr. G&W, and then countered by Roy? Sorry, I'm just not sure if PK Flashes can be reflected by Fox... -[[User:Ravrahn|Ravrahn]] 14:57, February 13, 2008 (EST)

== Idea and a Apology  ==

Well first time on and I already screwed up. I edited a help page on accident :(
so sorry....
well anyways I need help, I'm trying to find strategies for different characters against others, like Meta-knight vs Bowser and stuff like that... So can you help plz :( . [[User:LegendTamer|LegendTamer]] 14:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Spoiler Warning ==
Does anyone know how to add a spoiler warning because within the week the Japanese version will come out and this site is about to be crammed with em. Either a message across the top or on the main page but something is needed to warn those who don't want the game ruined for them (I envy them but I have a duty). [[User:Bonko24|Bonko24]] 04:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

: You may want to alter and use the spoiler template. However, I would say a warning on the Main Page would be better, as it requires less maintenance and is less annoying. [[User:Kirkburn|Kirkburn]] ([[User_talk:Kirkburn|talk]])

== Create an article box==
This button is really just aiding the vandals. Personally, I've never used it and those editors that do always end up making orphaned pages. I'm removing it if no one objects. [[User:Bonko24|Bonko24]] 03:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

: You could try commenting it out until the rush dies down? [[User:Kirkburn|Kirkburn]] ([[User_talk:Kirkburn|talk]]) 19:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

::I think I will. I'll mention that redlinks are abundant if new pages want to be made. [[User:Bonko24|Bonko24]] 20:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)