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==Update history== | ==Update history== | ||
Greninja has received a mix of buffs and nerfs from game updates. | Greninja has received a mix of buffs and nerfs from game updates. Update [[1.0.4]] notably nerfed Greninja by lowering the knockback on a handful of its amoves, and removing the Shadow Sneak glitch that allowed it to cancel the landing lag of its aerials. The most significantly nerfed move, however, was its up smash; initially one of the best anti-airs and smash attacks in the game, by virtue of its huge range and fast interruptibility allowing it to more easily beat out aerials and juggle opponents while even comboing into Greninja's own aerials, its ending lag and hitbox sizes were significantly increased and decreased respectively, so it is much harder for Greninja to take full advantage of the move. Greninja's hurtbox size at the top of its head was also increased in 1.0.4, making it easier to hit and rendering its once-decent [[crouch]] nearly useless. However, these nerfs were slightly compensated for as Shadow Sneak was buffed to a degree. Like 1.0.4, [[List of updates (SSB4-3DS)#1.0.5|1.0.5]] removed another exploitable glitch, the running Shadow Sneak glitch. | ||
However, Greninja has also seen some improvements in later updates. [[1.0.8]] noticeably improved its forward tilt's utility for spacing. Update [[1.1.0]] gave Greninja a mix of buffs and nerfs, though the former was more prevalent than the latter. While its down throw's damage output was decreased and Water Shuriken no longer stalls Greninja in the air after a jump, its down throw's ending lag was reduced, while Water Shuriken's startup was decreased, allowing it to camp more effectively. In addition to its ending lag, down throw's damage decrease indirectly improved its combo potential; one notable combo is into forward aerial for a potential KO at high percentages, although it is nevertheless dependent on DI. Update [[1.1.1]] only changed Greninja's Shadow Dash custom, decreasing its ending lag. | However, Greninja has also seen some improvements in later updates. [[1.0.8]] noticeably improved its forward tilt's utility for spacing. Update [[1.1.0]] gave Greninja a mix of buffs and nerfs, though the former was more prevalent than the latter. While its down throw's damage output was decreased and Water Shuriken no longer stalls Greninja in the air after a jump, its down throw's ending lag was reduced, while Water Shuriken's startup was decreased, allowing it to camp more effectively. In addition to its ending lag, down throw's damage decrease indirectly improved its combo potential; one notable combo is into forward aerial for a potential KO at high percentages, although it is nevertheless dependent on DI. Update [[1.1.1]] only changed Greninja's Shadow Dash custom, decreasing its ending lag. | ||
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Update [[1.1.3]] slightly buffed the knockback to Greninja's smash attacks and all variations of Shadow Sneak, which helps compensate for 1.0.4's weakening of its KO potential. Lastly, update [[1.1.5]] decreased dash attack's and standing grab's startup lag, and its forward and back aerials' landing lag. It also considerably improved Hydro Pump's reliability by tweaking its angle to avoid it from "headbonking". | Update [[1.1.3]] slightly buffed the knockback to Greninja's smash attacks and all variations of Shadow Sneak, which helps compensate for 1.0.4's weakening of its KO potential. Lastly, update [[1.1.5]] decreased dash attack's and standing grab's startup lag, and its forward and back aerials' landing lag. It also considerably improved Hydro Pump's reliability by tweaking its angle to avoid it from "headbonking". | ||
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However, updates [[1.1.3]] and [[1.1.5]] gave Greninja noteworthy buffs, with an increase to its KO power and combo options, as well as reduced landing lag on some of its aerial moves. With these buffs, Greninja began to see higher representation and some players began to realize its potential once again, largely due to the work of {{Sm|DarkAura}}, {{Sm|Eddy}}, {{Sm|Oisiitofu}}, {{Sm|Some}}, {{Sm|Venia}}, and most notably {{Sm|iStudying}}, who achieved 2nd place at [[B.E.A.S.T 6]]. These results allowed it to rise to 21st on the second tier list. | However, updates [[1.1.3]] and [[1.1.5]] gave Greninja noteworthy buffs, with an increase to its KO power and combo options, as well as reduced landing lag on some of its aerial moves. With these buffs, Greninja began to see higher representation and some players began to realize its potential once again, largely due to the work of {{Sm|DarkAura}}, {{Sm|Eddy}}, {{Sm|Oisiitofu}}, {{Sm|Some}}, {{Sm|Venia}}, and most notably {{Sm|iStudying}}, who achieved 2nd place at [[B.E.A.S.T 6]]. These results allowed it to rise to 21st on the second tier list. | ||
Despite its slightly rare results, Greninja was ranked 22nd on the third tier list, and is seen to be a viable option in tournaments, while also being backed by excellent tournament representation. After Some placed 9th at [[Frostbite 2017]], however, Greninja's results dropped once again. Greninja was once again thought to not be as great as initially | Despite its slightly rare results, Greninja was ranked 22nd on the third tier list, and is seen to be a viable option in tournaments, while also being backed by excellent tournament representation. After Some placed 9th at [[Frostbite 2017]], however, Greninja's results dropped once again. Greninja was once again thought to not be as great as initially, esecially after [[2GGC: Greninja Saga]] saw it placing rather inconsistently (this is largely attributed to the Greninja players eliminating themselves during the top 48 part of the bracket). Despite an explosion of Greninja's results appearing recently in tournaments, voting for its tier placement was already done, resulting on Greninja being ranked at 26th on the fourth and final tier list, its lowest placement so far. Regardless, it was generally agreed that this burst of good tournament results could cause Greninja's placement on a future tier list, although this ultimately didn’t happen. | ||
===[[Official Custom Moveset Project]]=== | ===[[Official Custom Moveset Project]]=== | ||
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*{{Sm|Stroder|USA}} - One of the best Greninja players in the United States. Placed 13th at {{Trn|2GGC: West Side Saga}}, 17th at {{Trn|2GGT: Mexico Saga}}, 25th at {{Trn|2GGC: SCR Saga}}, and 33rd at both {{Trn|EVO 2016}} and {{Trn|2GG: Hyrule Saga}} with wins over players such as {{Sm|Nairo}}, {{Sm|Elegant}}, and {{Sm|falln}}. Formerly ranked in Area 51 on the [[Panda Global Rankings v4]]. | *{{Sm|Stroder|USA}} - One of the best Greninja players in the United States. Placed 13th at {{Trn|2GGC: West Side Saga}}, 17th at {{Trn|2GGT: Mexico Saga}}, 25th at {{Trn|2GGC: SCR Saga}}, and 33rd at both {{Trn|EVO 2016}} and {{Trn|2GG: Hyrule Saga}} with wins over players such as {{Sm|Nairo}}, {{Sm|Elegant}}, and {{Sm|falln}}. Formerly ranked in Area 51 on the [[Panda Global Rankings v4]]. | ||
==[[List of Super Smash Bros. 4 character trailers#Charizard and Greninja|Reveal trailer]]== | |||
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==[[Trophies]]== | ==[[Trophies]]== | ||
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==In [[Event Match]]es== | |||
===Solo Events=== | |||
* '''[[Fire-Type Frenzy]]''': As {{SSB4|Charizard}}, the player must defeat Greninja, {{SSB4|Pikachu}} and {{SSB4|Lucario}}. | |||
* '''[[New Challengers 2]]''': Greninja is one of the seven opponents fought in this event alongside {{SSB4|Palutena}}, {{SSB4|Robin}}, {{SSB4|Shulk}}, {{SSB4|Dark Pit}}, {{SSB4|Mega Man}}, and {{SSB4|Pac-Man}}. | |||
* '''{{b|Pokémon Battle|SSB4}}''': Greninja must defeat Pikachu, Charizard, and Lucario. | |||
===Co-op Events=== | |||
* '''[[Pokémon Multi Battle!]]''': Greninja is one of the player's Pokémon to use, as well as being one of the opponents. | |||
* '''[[The Ultimate Battle]]''': Two players select a character and must defeat the entire roster. | |||
==[[Alternate costume (SSB4)#Greninja|Alternate costumes]]== | ==[[Alternate costume (SSB4)#Greninja|Alternate costumes]]== | ||
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==Gallery== | ==Gallery== | ||
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**Interestingly, the event Greninja is always male, which suggests that the ''SSB4'' Greninja is as well. Despite this, it is not listed under a specific gender per Nintendo and its affiliates' stance on, for the most part, using gender-neutral pronouns for all Pokémon, regardless of a species' appearance/gender ratio or lack thereof. | **Interestingly, the event Greninja is always male, which suggests that the ''SSB4'' Greninja is as well. Despite this, it is not listed under a specific gender per Nintendo and its affiliates' stance on, for the most part, using gender-neutral pronouns for all Pokémon, regardless of a species' appearance/gender ratio or lack thereof. | ||
**Prior to the release of ''Pokémon Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'', {{iw|bulbapedia|Water Shuriken|move}} was also one of Greninja's signature moves. However, {{iw|bulbapedia|Accelgor|Pokémon}} later gained access to Water Shuriken in ''Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'', albeit via {{s|bulbapedia|Move Reminder}}. | **Prior to the release of ''Pokémon Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'', {{iw|bulbapedia|Water Shuriken|move}} was also one of Greninja's signature moves. However, {{iw|bulbapedia|Accelgor|Pokémon}} later gained access to Water Shuriken in ''Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'', albeit via {{s|bulbapedia|Move Reminder}}. | ||
*Greninja knows six official Pokémon {{s|bulbapedia|move}}s, all of which it can legally learn in the ''Pokémon'' {{s|bulbapedia|core series}}. In addition to Water Shuriken, {{iw|bulbapedia|Shadow Sneak|move}}, {{iw|bulbapedia|Hydro Pump|move}}, and {{iw|bulbapedia|Substitute|move}}, it uses {{iw|bulbapedia|Mat Block|move}} to initiate [[Secret Ninja Attack]], and {{iw|bulbapedia|Double Team|move}} during one of its [[victory pose]]s. | *Greninja knows six official Pokémon {{s|bulbapedia|move}}s, all of which it can legally learn in the ''Pokémon'' {{s|bulbapedia|core series}}. In addition to Water Shuriken, {{iw|bulbapedia|Shadow Sneak|move}}, {{iw|bulbapedia|Hydro Pump|move}}, and {{iw|bulbapedia|Substitute|move}}, it uses {{iw|bulbapedia|Mat Block|move}}to initiate [[Secret Ninja Attack]], and {{iw|bulbapedia|Double Team|move}} during one of its [[victory pose]]s. | ||
*Greninja's color palette of its official artwork and in-game appearance are slightly different. For its in-game appearance, its body and legs are a slightly darker shade of blue, while its webbings, face, and chest are cream instead of beige. | *Greninja's color palette of its official artwork and in-game appearance are slightly different. For its in-game appearance, its body and legs are a slightly darker shade of blue, while its webbings, face, and chest are cream instead of beige. | ||
*Greninja and {{SSB4|Lucario}} are the only Pokémon to not have a custom move that share a name with an actual Pokémon move. | *Greninja and {{SSB4|Lucario}} are the only Pokémon to not have a custom move that share a name with an actual Pokémon move. |