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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:The Smash Arena Character Battles|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.
 
This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.


Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.
Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.


=Rules=
=Rules=
===Posting suggestions===
*The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights.
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
**Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*Don't vote for your own suggestion. You automatically vote for it if you suggest it.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week.
**If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk [[SW:PROB|probation]].
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight.  
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.
*You can remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
 
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.
===Voting and comments===
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page. If you place them at the top, they may be lost.
*Don't vote on your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.
*The comments section is to be used for '''relevant''' comments.
 
*[[Forum:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done; currently no repeat fights are permitted.
===Acceptance or rejection===
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once.
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. Reposting it after time has passed is generally a bad idea, since if it's already in the queue it's a waste of time, and if it was rejected the first time chances are it will remain that way. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*And finally, '''do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on which would win.
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.
 
=Tips=
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.


=Queue=
=Queue=
The current queue is as such:
The current queue is as such:
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|style="background:#7f7f7f;border:none"|<span class="explain" title="17/06/11">''91''</span>
|style="background:#7f7f7f;border:none"|<span class="explain" title="24/06/11">''92''</span>
|style="background:#7f7f7f;border:none"|<span class="explain" title="01/07/11">''93''</span>
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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.
Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.


When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.
When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.


The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.
The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.


The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.
The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.
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==[[Rosalina]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==
==[[Falco (SSBM)|''Melee'' Falco]] vs. [[Falco (SSBB)|''Brawl'' Falco]]==
Now before you shoot this suggestion down saying "oh it's a fight between the same character, boooriiing", consider this;


Two of the newest characters from the ''Mario'' universe makes it into ''SSB4''. Both have chargeable projectiles which stop dead upon hit. Who will rule 21st century ''Mario''? [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:00, 9 December 2017 (EST)
*Falco saw the most changes between ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', going through large changes atheistically and large changes in his moveset.
*Falco saw nerfs in some areas, saw buffs in some areas, and saw complete changes in others, changing his playstyle quite drastically.
*Falco is currently the only character who is considered top tier in both games (Marth used to be as well, until his tier demotion in the recent ''Melee'' tier list).
*Falco is the most debatable character on whether he is better or worse overall in the transition to ''Brawl''.
 
So, will you deride this matchup for "involving the same character", or will you like to see which incarnation of Falco has larger fan approval? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


===Support===
===Support===
I think it has an interesting idea behind it. It has my vote! [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 15:41, 22 March 2018 (EDT)
#'''Greatly support''', this has been debated for a while whether falco has been buffed of nerfed more, there was even a time when Falco was the same number on the melee and brawl tier lists.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 04:30, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#For players who really cares to seek and have some experiment in Melee and Brawl, this must be an important battle! So, how can people say "no" to this, even I don't play Melee! And, from your words, it looks like lots of nerf and buff happened. Well then, call me stupid because even I don't play Melee, but I care about this! [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]] 08:22, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#'K, let's just say this is like the melee vs brawl marth. WRONG! Melee marth and brawl marth=totally lookalike. melee falco and brawl falco, not so lookalike. pretty interesting duh[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:blue">'''Spartan''' </span> <span style="color:yellow">'''birds''']]</span>[[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 09:11, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#WoT's...too...powerful...-[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 09:49, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Awesome suggestion.[[User:Zero|Zero]] ([[User talk:Zero|talk]]) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#[[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 20:58, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Similar to the Marth battle suggested up there, I support. '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:aqua;">Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:midnightblue;">Reaper</span>]]''''' 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
#Ok, '''maybe''' this will work. --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 08:40, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#k [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|9001 Lamps]] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 11:59, 23 April 2011 (EDT)


Sounds like fun! Let's try it! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:33, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
===Oppose===
#Sorry but even with your detailed description of why they are different, I still think that fighting yourself is stupid. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 18:04, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
# Are you guys insane? Falco vs Falco? [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 02:48, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
#I think Melee Falco is too similar to Brawl Falco.--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 11:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)


I agree with Crazy Rhino. It's interesting. Why not. Blueflame105
===Comments===
@Solar Dragon and Mastersword: You guys do realise the Smash Arena is a popularity contest and not actual fights? Also, technically, they are not the same character in the Smash series, but rather, different incarnations (for them to be the "same Smash character", they would have to be in the same Smash game, and have every single thing about them exactly identical). Now perhaps provide an oppose reason other than "oh it's the same character" that I already pointed out won't suffice? :p


Kind of an obvious one. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
And Mastersword, calling people insane for supporting this matchup with logical reasoning doesn't make your oppose case any stronger. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:06, 19 April 2011 (EDT)


===Oppose===
Everyone wants ssbm falco vs ssbb falco but not ssbm marth vs ssbb marth. Thats creepy[[Special:Contributions/68.197.115.28|68.197.115.28]] 15:05, 19 April 2011 (EDT)


===Comments===
==[[Sonic (SSBB)|Sonic]] vs. [[Luigi (SSBB)|Luigi]]==


==[[Bowser]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==
Both are the runner-ups; one in the real universe, the other in his own. Who will be victorious? The lean, green machine? Or the super sonic psuedo-porcupine? [[User:CriticalHit60|Critical Hit, and...]] [[User talk:CriticalHit60|KO!]] 15:20, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
It's the battle of the Koopas! The Koopa King and the Koopa Prince are a royal duo. Who will rule this Koopa brawl between two ''Mario'' universe enemies? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)


===Support===
===Support===
It would be en epic koopa battle. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  19:59, 9 May 2018 (EDT)


Sure, why not? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#Vote 10 gave me a idea, they are complete opposites, which gives a twist to the suggestion[[Special:Contributions/86.82.234.185|86.82.234.185]] 11:54, 24 April 2011 (EDT)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
I don't know. This seems kind of obvious. I don't think they're different enough. You're entitled to your opinion though. Blueflame105
#Um, the runner-ups to what?-[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 15:26, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Dun get it. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 16:10, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Too many opposites. Plus, I have no idea what you're talking about. --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 16:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
# are you kidding me? they are NOT both runner ups and was a stupid suggestion[[Special:Contributions/68.197.115.28|68.197.115.28]] 16:56, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#What? Didn´t get it. [[User:Zero|Zero]] ([[User talk:Zero|talk]]) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Not enough minerals or i dont get it. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|A Golden]] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 17:30, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Huh? ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 17:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
# ............. Why not? Look at the above reasons, and below if more are added. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 02:50, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
# Same us Mastersword[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth| <span style="color:yellow">'''PK Chu!'''</span>]][[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 07:51, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
#Uh, Tails vs Luigi maybe, but not the ego-freak cash cow Vs. the eternal second banana. '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:aqua;">Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:midnightblue;">Reaper</span>]]''''' 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
#Rewording the intro would be nice, as many of us don't know what you mean with the "runner up" thing. And outside of whatever that part means, these two lack notable compare/contrasts, and all in all this seems just to be a random matchup to me. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 06:21, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
#???--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 11:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)


===Comments===
===Comments===
This could get taken down anytime soon. No offense to whoever created this. --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 12:24, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
==[[Congo Jungle]] vs [[Jungle Japes]]==


==[[Villager]] vs. [[Rosalina]]==
Congo Jungle utilizes the amazing graphics and sounds of classic jungle levels of ''Donkey Kong Country'', a personal childhood favorite of mine. Plus, it's hella fun to launch your foe into a beautiful background with occasional vulture cameos. Finally, Giant Donkey Kong takes a stand here in the original ''SSB''.


Both characters are fun and have a special move that can negate most projectiles (Pocket and Gravitational Pull, respectively) and are both fairly new. Both are newcomers. Who would win? What do you think? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 16:02, 9 May 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 3:01, March 9 2018 (American Central Time)
Jungle Japes' scenery more based upon everyone's favorite fourth-wall breaker, Cranky Kong in his Cabin, comes complete with another amazing sunset, water, and a super long ceiling. Not to mention, the DK Rap! Oh, and the Giant DK makes another return here. '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:aqua;">Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:midnightblue;">Reaper</span>]]''''' 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)


===Support===
===Support===
A great battle for me so, let's give that a try! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 12:15, 10 May 2018 (EDT)
# Why not? They're both from DK, they're interesting stages, and I'd like to see who comes on top. This counts as my reason, as well as reasons below if more are added. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 18:53, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
 
#'''Support''' this battle will be epic! Not only are these stages from the Donkey Kong series but they are also the stages which he has his highest matchups on.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 19:35, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
This is a great idea. Has my support. YoshisaurusThe9th
# Da epicness. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 23:07, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
#Seems good to me. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 04:53, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
#Both DK stages, both epic. [[User:Zero|Zero]] ([[User talk:Zero|talk]]) 05:09, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
#IF YOU KNOW THE WORDS, YOU CAN JOIN IN TOO. -[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 16:13, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
#'''Extreme support!''' Both rivals are from DK and they're both stages! They have '''huge''' similarities. --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 17:47, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
#They are both DK stages.--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 11:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)


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I don't really get the connection. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
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==[[Koopalings|Wendy]] vs. [[Lucina]]==
==[[Kirby]] vs. [[King Dedede]]==


The only unlockable females in the series. One fights to repair the future, the other fights to take over the world. One is driven and kind, the other is bratty and vicious. Which one reigns supreme? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
COME. ON. [[User:Brawlingbrian|<span style="color:green">Brawling</span>]][[User talk:Brawlingbrian|<span style="color:green">brian</span>]] [[User:Brawlingbrian/Soundtracks|<span style="color:cerulean">mains</span>]] [[File:ToonLinkHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 18:10, 20 April 2011 (EDT)


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A nice matchup in my favor. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
# It's the inflatable puffball versus the bigger, greedier inflatable penguin. Interesting. That counts as my reason, as well as below if more are added. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 18:48, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
#They both have a hammer! [[Special:Contributions/206.53.152.105|206.53.152.105]] 22:24, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
#Now I'm surprised because this battle just been suggested now. [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:warpstr.jpg|23px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]] 22:53, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
#For reason number 3. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 04:52, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
#Another rivalry, they both have gone to a Gourmet race, fighting each other, helping each other, and eat each other[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth| <span style="color:yellow">'''PK Chu!'''</span>]][[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 01:04, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
#Similar to the Fox vs. Wolf suggestion, I don't really find this suggestion interesting and thoughtful, but being rivals/main protagonist vs. main antagonist makes it an automatic Smash Arena matchup in my eyes. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 06:21, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
#Another missed perfect match-up. *sighs* --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 20:38, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
#Rivals.--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 11:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
 
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Just no. Please no. Also, Wendy isn't unlockable in for Wii U, and neither is Lucina, so that's driven entirely from the 3DS version, right? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:03, 8 June 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105


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==[[Lakitu & Spinies]] vs. [[Hammer Bro.]]==
==[[Kyogre]] vs. [[Isaac]] ==


Two [[Assist Trophies]] from the ''Mario'' series. One throws Spinies, the other throws hammers. Which one is your favorite? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
Both use the push effect to push foes off the screen [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 21:29, 22 April 2011 (EDT)


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It's a cool idea, so I'll support this. I would definitely vote for Hammer Bro. though. I hate going up against Lakitu. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:04, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


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Rematches are uninteresting in general, especially now that we're going to have 5 ''Smash'' games and now, there are more ''Mario'' based assists. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
#Nothing else besides a push effect, and both of their ways to accomplish that are different from the other. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 22:58, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
#A strong stream of water versus an obnoxious hand wanting a high-five, '''Naaaah'''.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 04:00, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#Kyogre moves up and down too, following you around. Isaac just shoots left and right. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 04:04, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#A Pokemon against an Assist Trophy? '''No way!''' --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 08:34, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#Issac's attack does cause knockback, instead of pushing. That's the reason why characters get knocked down from it. As such, nothing really interesting here comes out at me. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:11, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#Pokémon vs. Assist Trophy = no.--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 11:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
# Actually read [[push|this]]. EyeSack's Move has set knockback, not the push effect. [[User:Mastergameandwatch|Mastergameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Mastergameandwatch|talk]]) 14:34, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
 
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Not saying it couldn't happen as it was more than 100 matches ago, but discovered this same matchup with their Brawl incarnations in the archives. While I do like this matchup and fully support it, it does say you aren't likely to get a repeat unless people really want a different result or it was a tie. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 19:06, 6 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


==[[Mario Circuit (SSB4)]] vs. [[Rainbow Road]]==
==[[Hammer]] vs [[Golden Hammer]]==


3, 2, 1... GO! Two stages from ''{{iw|mariowiki|Mario Kart|series}}'' battle it out in a race to the finish. One is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8}}'' and ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8 Deluxe}}'', the other is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 7}}''. Who will take the checkered flag in this match? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 01:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)
Both are very powerful, they play a classic tune when picked up. However, with the small chances of getting a headless hammer or a squeaky respectively, the users may end up being the vulnerable ones. --[[Special:Contributions/204.191.142.56|204.191.142.56]] 21:30, 22 April 2011 (EDT)


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Great Idea in my opinion.
#Well, they are very similar. But I say yes.--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 11:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
[[User: CaptainDabsalot|CaptainDabsalot]] Or [[User Talk: CaptainDabsalot|The SavageCow]] 6/22/18 11:04 CST


[[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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#It's like, a very very very very rigged match. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 22:58, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
# RIGGED! I mean it's like saying Link vs Bunny Ears Link. This counts as my reason, as well as below if more are added. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 23:20, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
#Urm... This reminds me of the Ridley vs. Meta Ridley suggestion... ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 04:04, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#So, take a item and match it up with a version that is superior in every way? The Hammer may have the awesome hammer head, but since you're busy swinging the stick, you wouldn't be able to utilise it if you picked up a headless hammer anyway. Smash Arena matchups aren't actual competition, but if the matchup was to interest enough for someone to vote, why would they vote for the Hammer unless they really like the hammer head?  <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:11, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#I'd like it more if it was SSB Hammer vs SSBB Golden hammer. It evens the playing field a little more.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 21:26, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
# This is like DK vs. Giant DK. [[User:Mastergameandwatch|Mastergameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Mastergameandwatch|talk]]) 14:34, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
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==[[Daisy]] vs. [[Inkling]] vs. [[Ridley]]==
==Ganondorf vs. Pichu==


The first three newcomers announced for SSBU. Which noob gets the most hype? ...Wait a second... [[Forum:Smash_Arena/Archive_40#Villager_vs._Wii_Fit_Trainer_vs._Mega_Man|hasn't something like this been done before?]] [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 20:17, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
Ganondorf and Pichu are on the dead bottom of the tier list (SSBB's for Ganon and SSBM's for Pichu). While both try to play at the top of their game, they end up being tournament punching bags. Will the rodent of high voltages blast Ganon out of his mind, or will Ganondorf Warlock Punch Pichu and show his power? [[User:Mastergameandwatch|Mastergameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Mastergameandwatch|talk]]) 22:06, 22 April 2011 (EDT)


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I mean... yeah. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 20:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
#It doesn't matter whether Pichu is currently tied with someone or not. Both Ganon and Pichu are infamous for being the worst in Brawl and Melee respectively through many tier lists. Not to mention the fact that a fight between the toughest looking and the wimpiest looking would be cute. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 02:03, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
 
#Pichu may be in one of the bull shit "ties" at the bottom with Kirby, but outside that, Pichu was last on the ninth Melee tier list that lasted from 2008 up to 2010. The tier list with the "negligible tier" shouldn't be considered as that was a beta tier list. And outside of tier lists, when people think of who the worst character in ''Melee'' is, who comes to mind? No doubt that Pichu naturally comes to most people's minds. Both of these characters also have severe handicaps (Pichu hurting itself, Ganondorf having the worst mobility and lacking anyway to deal with projectiles). We had the matchup for ''Melee'' Fox vs. Meta Knight, so we should naturally have a battle of the worst. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:11, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
ABSOLUTELY! Ultimate looks really good. Counting down the days till December 9th..... [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
#Although I consider Pichu to be 25th, I think this would be an interesting matchup.-[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 21:40, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
 
The only time such matchup is valid. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
 
Love it! That one is going to be awesome! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 13:07, 29 July 2018 (EDT)


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#Pichu is equal with Kirby in the bottom of melee's tier list.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 22:15, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
#^ <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 22:58, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
# My reason is Megatron's, which is Shaun's Wiji Dodo's reason. It is obvious that that is my reason, as well as below if more are added. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 23:22, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
#There are no other similarities other than that they are at the bottom of the tiers. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 04:04, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#A very strong Ganondorf against a very weak Pichu. I automatically could see the winner in my hands. --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 08:41, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#Big, strong, dark, low-jumping evil king vs. little, self-damaging weak Pokémon? (MY opinions!) No.--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 11:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#Think about the Pikachu vs. Pichu or Round [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Forum:The_Smash_Arena_Character_Battles/Archive_XV#Round_73:_Pikachu_vs._Pichu|73]? Do you see the reason why everyone hates Pichu and why everyone likes Pikachu for being top tier on the SSB tier list? [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|9001 Lamps]] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 12:07, 23 April 2011 (EDT)


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@Anon, how is Pichu infamous for being the worst in melee? The tier list before had five characters in a negligible tier where the melee back room didn't even rank them. Also there have been more tier revisions with bowser and mewtwo as the worst character than there has with Pichu as the worst.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 03:44, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:Read OT's post above. He sums this up quite well.[[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 13:33, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
::Although OT's post is well written, the tier battle of SSBM fox vs SSBB meta knight was different since they hads been top tier for a lot longer than just 2-3 years, i fact i think they were always top tier, and they're not currently and never have been tied in place of a tier spot.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 21:48, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:::How could Meta Knight be top character for a lot longer than 3 years when Brawl has only been out for three years? And Fox didn't always had the top spot in ''Melee'', Sheik did for the first five years. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:17, 23 April 2011 (EDT)


== [[Samus]] vs. [[Lucario]] ==


==[[Kirby (SSB4)|Kirby]] Vs. [[Jigglypuff (SSB4)| Jigglypuff]]==
2 Smashers for different world, they have the similar special move, which is charging a ball of sphere. They also have similar final smash, which is shooting a straight energy beam from their hand (But for Samus, not DIRECTLY from hand) Lucario's Aura sphere can damage anybody when charging, but mostly have smaller damage and knockback. Samus' beam is pretty deadly but she's totally atackable when charging.[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth| <span style="color:yellow">'''PK Chu!'''</span>]][[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 02:46, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
 
Pink. Puffy. Powerful. Wait, which one am I talking about? It's pink puffball on pink puffball in this puffball brawl. Both are floaty, pink, and overall competitively useless! Both of their up specials can hinder their recoveries, but can jump a lot (maybe too much) so it's all good. It's the ULTIMATE BATTLE! What's that? You say it's not? Well then, [[Kirby]] or [[Jigglypuff]]. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:53, 22 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


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This match was already done in a lopsided result. Also I noticed that much of your contributions have been Smash Arena related and we're currently on a Red wiki status and spending to much time in the Smash Arena without contributing to the mainspace can result in an IP block (or probation if you're a registered user). [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is bad for me  18:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
#Lucario's Aura Sphere can be more damaging and have more knockback when lucario is at 182% and I find these characters are way too different. Just because two moves are the same doesn't mean the characters are similar.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 03:37, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#I could go on about this topic, but I'm going to sum it up: '''Their moves are completely different!''' Samus' can only go sideways, but you can actually control Lucario's, so Lucario's would be harder to dodge. --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 08:47, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#Their neutral specials aren't the same :/ And they're not that similar either. These two lack notable similarities/contrasts, and appears to be a random matchup to me. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:11, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#Their neutral specials are different :/ <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 09:31, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#No.--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 11:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
# NO! NO! NO! So they've got one move that is the same! SO WHAT? The rest of they're movesets are completely different, and there's no point in saying their final smashes are similar because they're not! This counts as my reason, as well as the ones above and below if more are added. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 18:33, 23 April 2011 (EDT)


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I apologize. I was not aware of this, and will refrain from doing Smash Arena things, at least until wiki status lowers. I have been attempting tobe more helpful on the wiki, but overall, I'm not good at it. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:51, 25 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
@Shauns wi dojo, i say MOSTLY, not always! i know lucario's aura sphere can have bigger damage and knockback, but i said MOSTLY it isn't! [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth| <span style="color:yellow">'''PK Chu!'''</span>]][[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 04:06, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:How can you say "mostly" anyway, you can't determine that a lucario will be winning or losing in stocks and in damage most of the time, by the way it's '''Shaun's Wiji Dodo''' not '''Shauns wi dojo'''.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 04:13, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
::It's just a small mistake --" no need to be so mad[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth| <span style="color:yellow">'''PK Chu!'''</span>]][[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 05:47, 24 April 2011 (EDT)


==[[Cloud Strife]] Vs. [[Solid Snake]]==
==[[Ho-oh]] vs [[Dyna Blade]]==
While these two super soldiers are largely considered Playstation classics, they've found there way into Nintendo's big crossover. Both may take some stuff through cloning (Cloud has Zack's memories and abilities, Snake is a literal clone of Big Boss) but who comes out on top? Btw, they're both relatively mature for Nintendo titles --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 21:19, 11 August 2018 (EDT)


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it would be epic and theyre very similar [[User:Supershuckle|Supershuckle]] ([[User talk:Supershuckle|talk]]) 10:48, 23 April 2011 (EDT)  
I nearly removed this suggestion because I thought it involved an ''Ultimate'' character, then I found out Cloud was in ''SSB4''. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)


They are great characters in both ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'' so, let's do it! By the way, Cloud's debut game is ''Final Fantasy VII'', while ''Metal Gear Solid'' is Snake's first game. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 15:23, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
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#Similar? Not even close. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 10:52, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#Dyna Blade doesn't even have a function in the game, besides being a trophy. Ho-oh sometimes appears to destroy your opponent. But I do think they look somewhat similar.--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 11:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#They do look similar, but Dyna Blade only appears in Brawl as a trophy/sticker, which really hurts this suggestion. And when you factor in their in universe selves, they lack similarities/contrasts outside appearance. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:57, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#I don't know who dyna blade is. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|9001 Lamps]] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 12:08, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
# Dyna Blade is a trophy, and Ho-oh is a pokemon from a poke ball. The idea is a wonderful one, but since they lack significance, this counts as my reason. It would be good to see one as a boss though. My reason also includes the ones before me as well as below if more are added. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 18:36, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#What do you mean "very similar"? --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 19:03, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
# Nope, sorry. Dyna Blade doesn't do anything in the smash universe, so he can't really be counted as a contestant... [[User:Fuddlebob|Fuddlebob]] ([[User talk:Fuddlebob|talk]]) 19:55, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#If Dyna-Blade was an assist trophy and did something similar to Ho-Oh then yes. This is not a case so no. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 04:09, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
#Same as vote num 2[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth| <span style="color:yellow">'''PK Chu!'''</span>]][[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 05:53, 24 April 2011 (EDT)


==[[Battlefield]] Vs. [[Big Battlefield]]==
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Pretty simple idea. Battlefield vs its big bro. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 12:05, 28 December 2018 (EST)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Dyna Blade was based on Ho-oh. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 18:37, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
 
:Dyna Blade comes before Ho-oh. Dyna Blade first appeared in Kirby Super Star, which came out in 1996, predating the Pokemon franchise. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:50, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
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Maybe Ho-oh was based on Dyna Blade. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 00:38, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
Not a bad idea. <span style="color:lightblue">Everone123</span> ([[User:Everone123|userpage]] • [[User talk:Everone123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Everone123|contribs]]) 22:15, 7 January 2019 (EST)
 
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No contest. Big Battlefield wins (Bigger means better). Try coming up with something else. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:52, 3 January 2019 (EST)
 
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== [[Luigi's Mansion]] vs. [[Dracula's Castle]] ==
 
Two locations, one being a haunted mansion in the middle of a spooky forest that is home to a green-clad  plumber, the other being a giant castle on the outskirts of Transylvania that is home to an evil vampire, both places equally spooky. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:56, 3 January 2019 (EST)
 
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I think another fun connection is Dracula's Castle used to replace Luigi's Mansion in PM. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 18:32, 19 January 2019 (EST)
 
This is my kind of battle! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 18:35, 19 January 2019 (EST)


Yeah both places can be considered scary places. It would make a perfect battle. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:Corrin Fan|Corrin Fan]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 14:25, 21 January 2019 (EST)
== [[Ness]] vs [[Mewtwo]] ==


Seems like a fun idea. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
I'm not sure if this has been suggested yet or not, but I'm surprised this fight has never been done. Both Ness and Mewtwo are pschics for starters. Both have unique double-jumps (thus benefiting from DJC) that are among the largest in Melee. Both characters have extremely powerful throws. Both characters posses a chargable neutral special. Both characters are the most powerful in their own game. Both characters rank quite low on the Melee tier list.


Giving this a vote since the current arena seriously needs to end already. Also the PM trivia is neat.<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 09:15, August 31, 2019 (EDT)
And my favorite reason is this: Mewtwo resembles Giegue, the original form of Giygas, the main villain of Earthbound.  


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==[[Bayonetta]] vs. [[Joker]]==
Both are black clad, gun wielding, Sega owned (well, kinda for Joker), DLC fighters. But which one will come out on top? [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)


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* Bayonetta and Joker are extremely similar, this battle could make a difference. [[File:Derekblue1SigHead1.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">'''Derekblue1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">(talk)</span>]] [[File:Derekblue1SigHead2.png|20px|link=]] 09:54, April 15, 2020 (EDT)
#Anon described the matchup well. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:18, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
# It just proves that if you describe a matchup well enough, you could see it being battled out in the arena. When I first looked at the match up I'm like nah, no way, but when I read the statement I realised that they're very similar. This counts as my reason as well as below this vote if more are added. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 18:40, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#per 1st vote. --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 18:58, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
# This would be an interesting match, could end up being very close... [[User:Fuddlebob|Fuddlebob]] ([[User talk:Fuddlebob|talk]]) 19:54, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#Nice. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 20:01, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#Nice match. I also saw the resemblance between Mewtwo and Giegue awhile back. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 21:19, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#A character that looks like Giegue before he became an entity of evil versus the chosen boy who stops the entity. '''WIN'''.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 21:22, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
#Seems to work for me. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 04:09, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
#Reason? Number 2. Just like me and just like that [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:warpstr.jpg|23px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]] 09:34, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
#PK......Psychic(that would make a nice move.)! [[User:Mastergameandwatch|Mastergameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Mastergameandwatch|talk]]) 14:34, 24 April 2011 (EDT)


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==[[Mario]] vs. [[Donkey Kong]] vs. [[Pacman]]==
All three are iconic fighters who were huge hits in the early 1980s, shoot projectiles, and are great at rescuing people. But things have been bubbling around Peach since Wii U, and there is only one way to settle things. Which will get the princess? [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 22:17, April 13, 2020
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==[[Pikachu]] vs. [[Lucas]]==
==[[Volt Tackle]] vs. [[Super Sonic]]==
 
They are deadly, spedy, have awful handling, cause problem when ended under the main platform, have a connection to lightning (well, not really), and both are [[Final Smash]] too! Which one will gain victory? The lightning speed hedgehog, or the lightning covered Pokemon? [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:warpstr.jpg|23px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]] 09:51, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
Both have the power of Thor. [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 14:38, May 09, 2020


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#I think that they are both similar. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 11:26, 24 April 2011 (EDT)


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#You can easily slow down Super Sonic while experienced people can control Volt Tackle with ease. In addition, Super Sonic can easily ko while the other is meant for damage racking. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 09:56, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
# I avoided Volt Tackle completely with Pokemon Change. Which means Volt Tackle isn't deadly. [[User:Mastergameandwatch|Mastergameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Mastergameandwatch|talk]]) 14:34, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
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*Quick heads up, the wiki's Smash Arena has been discontinued in favor of the Discord server's. The suggestions should go there instead. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:15, May 9, 2020 (EDT)

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