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==Week 11: [[Samus]] vs. [[Zero Suit Samus]]==
==Week 11: [[Samus]] vs. [[Zero Suit Samus]]==
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size=5>'''Winner!!'''</font><br><font size=3>'''''Samus!'''''</font><br>[[Image:Samus SSBB.jpg|205px|center]] <br><font size=3>''12 to 10''</font><br>
size=5>'''Winner!!'''</font><br><font size=3>'''''Samus!'''''</font><br>[[Image:SamusSSBB.jpg|205px|center]] <br><font size=3>''12 to 10''</font><br>
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|style="width:100%; background:#dfdfdf; padding:5px" colspan="6"|Samus first appeared in that marvel of engineering, the Power Suit.  Now, her Zero Suit form has arrived to fight in the Arena!
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#ZSS is a hottie! [[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Purple">Para</font>]][[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Blue">Goomba</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">348</font>]] 18:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
#ZSS is a hottie! [[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Purple">Para</font>]][[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Blue">Goomba</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">348</font>]] 18:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
#I got used to this ones moves quicker then samus's, i still can't figure out how to use the missles. Plus, there is no chance mistaking ZSS's gender. [[User:Solar flute|Solar Flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]]).
#I got used to this ones moves quicker then samus's, i still can't figure out how to use the missles. Plus, there is no chance mistaking ZSS's gender. [[User:Solar flute|Solar Flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]]).
# I'm for speed and agility. Great whip, B/Smash down, is a great follow up to a fully charged foward smash! Only 2 downsides. 1) Pathetic down B 2) Too easy to K.O. [[User:The blue blur|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Teh Blue</span></b>]]<b>[[User talk:The blue blur|<span style="color:Gray"> Blur~</span>]]</b>... [[User:The Blue Blur|<span style="color:Blue">~You're too slow!~</span>]] 20:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
# I'm for speed and agility. Great whip, B/Smash down, is a great follow up to a fully charged foward smash! Only 2 downsides. 1) Pathetic down B 2) Too easy to K.O. [[User:The blue blur|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Teh Blue</span></b>]]<b>[[User talk:The blue blur|<span style="color:Gray"> Blur~</span>]]</b>... [[Smasher: The Blue Blur|<span style="color:Blue">~You're too slow!~</span>]] 20:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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==Week 12: [[Fox]] vs. [[Sheik]]==
==Week 12: [[Fox]] vs. [[Sheik]]==
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|style="width:100%; background:#dfdfdf; padding:5px" colspan="6"|Fox and Sheik settle their grudge. They almost had it out on board the Halberd, but this time there’s no Peach to make peace. Who will win?
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# Starfox!, Melee! The proof's all there, open your eyes and look at it! Fox pwns! '''[[User:Ike's Best Buddy|<span style="color:Red">Ike's</span> <span style="color:Brown">Best</span> <span style="color:Maroon">Buddy</span>]][[User Talk:Ike's Best Buddy|<small><sup><span style="color:silver">Great Aether!</span></sup></small>]]'''
# Starfox!, Melee! The proof's all there, open your eyes and look at it! Fox pwns! '''[[User:Ike's Best Buddy|<span style="color:Red">Ike's</span> <span style="color:Brown">Best</span> <span style="color:Maroon">Buddy</span>]][[User Talk:Ike's Best Buddy|<small><sup><span style="color:silver">Great Aether!</span></sup></small>]]'''
#I hate them both in Brawl, but Fox was in the better game, in my opinion. [[User:Dexington|Dexington]] ([[User talk:Dexington|talk]]) 14:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
#I hate them both in Brawl, but Fox was in the better game, in my opinion. [[User:Dexington|Dexington]] ([[User talk:Dexington|talk]]) 14:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
#I like fox more, he was better in melee, though. He's 6<sup>th</sup> in my top 10 brawl characters. He won me over with his speed and agility and fast % raising moves, to secure the kill. [[User:The blue blur|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Teh Blue</span></b>]]<b>[[User talk:The blue blur|<span style="color:Gray"> Blur~</span>]]</b>... [[User:The Blue Blur|<span style="color:Blue">~You're too slow!~</span>]] 15:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
#I like fox more, he was better in melee, though. He's 6<sup>th</sup> in my top 10 brawl characters. He won me over with his speed and agility and fast % raising moves, to secure the kill. [[User:The blue blur|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Teh Blue</span></b>]]<b>[[User talk:The blue blur|<span style="color:Gray"> Blur~</span>]]</b>... [[Smasher: The Blue Blur|<span style="color:Blue">~You're too slow!~</span>]] 15:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
#1337fOx(with Greg) invented 1337! [[User:Masterman|<span style="color: fuchsia">Masterman</span>]] [[User talk:Masterman|<span style="color= blue">20</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Masterman|<span style="color: gold">09</span>]] 16:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
#1337fOx(with Greg) invented 1337! [[User:Masterman|<span style="color: fuchsia">Masterman</span>]] [[User talk:Masterman|<span style="color= blue">20</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Masterman|<span style="color: gold">09</span>]] 16:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
#High-tech defeats even the awesomeness of the ninjas. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="slategray">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="slategray">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
#High-tech defeats even the awesomeness of the ninjas. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="slategray">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="slategray">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
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#Fox all the way! Not only is he fast, but his smash attacks are a lot more powerful than Sheik's, and they are pretty fast too. '''[[User:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkTurquoise">Cloned</span>]][[User talk:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Pickle</span>]]''' 06:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
#Fox all the way! Not only is he fast, but his smash attacks are a lot more powerful than Sheik's, and they are pretty fast too. '''[[User:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkTurquoise">Cloned</span>]][[User talk:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Pickle</span>]]''' 06:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
#Fox will beat Sheik. All hail pyromaniacs! <font face="calibri" size="3">[[User:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">SapphireKirby</span>]]</font>[[User Talk:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">'''777'''</span>]] 13:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#Fox will beat Sheik. All hail pyromaniacs! <font face="calibri" size="3">[[User:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">SapphireKirby</span>]]</font>[[User Talk:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">'''777'''</span>]] 13:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
#personally i think fox and sheik both suck but i'll still vote for fox! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Metalgearfox|Metalgearfox]] ([[User talk:Metalgearfox|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Metalgearfox|contribs]]) </small>
#personally i think fox and sheik both suck but i'll still vote for fox! {{unsigned|Metalgearfox}}
#dude fox was beast in the first cus his blaster was awesome], and even though i now hate him ill vote for fox because shiek was REALLY annoying in ocarina of time [[User:LordGarbageMan]]
#dude fox was beast in the first cus his blaster was awesome], and even though i now hate him ill vote for fox because shiek was REALLY annoying in ocarina of time [[User:LordGarbageMan]]
#metalgear pliskin:Both of them suck but i will vote for fox
#metalgear pliskin:Both of them suck but i will vote for fox
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#Not a big fan of both but Fox is good in Boss Battles Mode so i vote for him. [[Special:Contributions/220.253.43.22|220.253.43.22]] 00:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
#Not a big fan of both but Fox is good in Boss Battles Mode so i vote for him. [[Special:Contributions/220.253.43.22|220.253.43.22]] 00:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
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==Week 13: [[R.O.B. Squad]] vs. [[Galleom]]==
==Week 13: [[R.O.B. Sentry|R.O.B. Squad]] vs. [[Galleom]]==
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size=5>'''Winner!!'''</font><br><font size=3>'''''Tie'''''</font><br>[[Image:SmashBall.png|center|]]<br><font size=3>''13 to 13''</font><br>
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#All those R.O.B.'s *shudders* too many, and those lasers *shudders* they got my vote lol.
#All those R.O.B.'s *shudders* too many, and those lasers *shudders* they got my vote lol.
#Ya, they would win by numbers. Who's gonna win? It's just like the [[Mites]].
#Ya, they would win by numbers. Who's gonna win? It's just like the [[Mites]].  
 
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#Even if the R.O.B.s deafeat him, he has a way more Bad@$$ Supspace bomb (And a More Convieniet one) to Suicidally Kill them all. Galleom has no less than 100% chance of winning.--[[User:Mudkipz|User:Mudkipz]] ([[User talk:Mudkipz|talk]]) 02:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#Even if the R.O.B.s deafeat him, he has a way more Bad@$$ Supspace bomb (And a More Convieniet one) to Suicidally Kill them all. Galleom has no less than 100% chance of winning.--[[User:Mudkipz|User:Mudkipz]] ([[User talk:Mudkipz|talk]]) 02:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 03:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 03:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#Naw, He'll just turn into a tank and barge right through 'em and smash 'em to bits! (Unless their infinite...) [[User:The blue blur|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Teh Blue</span></b>]]<b>[[User talk:The blue blur|<span style="color:Gray"> Blur~</span>]]</b>... [[User:The Blue Blur|<span style="color:Blue">~You're too slow!~</span>]] 15:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#Naw, He'll just turn into a tank and barge right through 'em and smash 'em to bits! (Unless their infinite...) [[User:The blue blur|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Teh Blue</span></b>]]<b>[[User talk:The blue blur|<span style="color:Gray"> Blur~</span>]]</b>... [[Smasher: The Blue Blur|<span style="color:Blue">~You're too slow!~</span>]] 15:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
#Its a boss. ITS A BOSS. Against an insignificant mario kart character. :) [[User:Links assistant|↓LINKS-ASSISTANT↓]] ([[User talk:Links assistant|talk]])  
#Its a boss. ITS A BOSS. Against an insignificant mario kart character. :) [[User:Links assistant|↓LINKS-ASSISTANT↓]] ([[User talk:Links assistant|talk]])  
# He's a tank....and a giant ape-robot thing. That sure sounds like an unbeatable combo to me. [[User:(Benji_Man)|<font face="Marker Felt" color="FFD700">BEN!</font>]]
# He's a tank....and a giant ape-robot thing. That sure sounds like an unbeatable combo to me. [[User:(Benji_Man)|<font face="Marker Felt" color="FFD700">BEN!</font>]]
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==Week 14: [[Hammer Bro|Hammer Bros]] vs. [[Ice Climbers]]==
==Week 14: [[Hammer Bro|Hammer Bros]] vs. [[Ice Climbers]]==
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#I liek turtlez (Sorry BNK) [[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">Para</font>]][[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Blue">Goomba</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ParaGoomba348|<font color="Red">348</font>]] 00:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#I liek turtlez (Sorry BNK) [[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">Para</font>]][[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Blue">Goomba</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ParaGoomba348|<font color="Red">348</font>]] 00:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#They made me angry in the original Mario Bros. This gives me respect for them. On the other hand, I've never met anyone who can use the IC's well enough to beat me. This may just be a result of not looking hard enough, but IMO, Hammer Bros. are better. [[User:Bek The Conqueror|Bek The Conqueror]] ([[User talk:Bek The Conqueror|talk]]) 02:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#They made me angry in the original Mario Bros. This gives me respect for them. On the other hand, I've never met anyone who can use the IC's well enough to beat me. This may just be a result of not looking hard enough, but IMO, Hammer Bros. are better. [[User:Bek The Conqueror|Bek The Conqueror]] ([[User talk:Bek The Conqueror|talk]]) 02:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#Well, at least they don't chaingrab! I can't stand chaingrabbers! They pwn anyone... T3H 1337 H4MM3R BR0Z!![[User:The blue blur|<b><span style="color:cyan">~Teh Blue</span></b>]]<b>[[User talk:The blue blur|<span style="color:silver"> Blur~</span>]]</b>[Code Blue|<span style="color:Gold">A revolution begins...</span>]] 15:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#Well, at least they don't chaingrab! I can't stand chaingrabbers! They pwn anyone... T3H 1337 H4MM3R BR0Z!![[User:The blue blur|<b><span style="color:cyan">~Teh Blue</span></b>]]<b>[[User talk:The blue blur|<span style="color:silver"> Blur~</span>]]</b>[[Code Blue|<span style="color:Gold">A revolution begins...</span>]] 15:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
#Hammer Bros. are hard to get around in SMB. If Mario can barely get around these guys, how will the Climbers? - <font face="times new roman">[[User:GalaxiaD|<span style="color:purple">'''GalaxiaD'''</span>]]</font><font face="times new roman"> <sup>[[User Talk:GalaxiaD|<span style="color:black">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup></font> 22:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
#Hammer Bros. are hard to get around in SMB. If Mario can barely get around these guys, how will the Climbers? - <font face="times new roman">[[User:GalaxiaD|<span style="color:purple">'''GalaxiaD'''</span>]]</font><font face="times new roman"> <sup>[[User Talk:GalaxiaD|<span style="color:black">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup></font> 22:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
#Koopa's rule and Ice Climbers don't (neither of them rule as much as Ike), but any way the Hammer Bros. I also agree are hard to get past in SMB.--'''[[User:MysteryHeff|<span style="color:Green">MỸŠŦЄЯỸ</span>]][[Special:Editcount/MysteryHeff|<span style="color:green">ЊӘҒҒ</span>]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff|<small><sup><span style="color:black">TALK</span></sup></small>]] 01:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
#Koopa's rule and Ice Climbers don't (neither of them rule as much as Ike), but any way the Hammer Bros. I also agree are hard to get past in SMB.--'''[[User:MysteryHeff|<span style="color:Green">MỸŠŦЄЯỸ</span>]][[Special:Editcount/MysteryHeff|<span style="color:green">ЊӘҒҒ</span>]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff|<small><sup><span style="color:black">TALK</span></sup></small>]] 01:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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#I just don't like the Ice Climbers.
#I just don't like the Ice Climbers.
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#Ice Climbers are awesome. Much more so than Hammer Bros. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]  [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]'''
#Ice Climbers are awesome. Much more so than Hammer Bros. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]  [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]'''
#They have parkas.  Plus, the Hammer Bro assist trophy (it's only one) is pretty sad.  They're gonna need to work on their strategery if they want to beat the Climbers. '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 05:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
#They have parkas.  Plus, the Hammer Bro assist trophy (it's only one) is pretty sad.  They're gonna need to work on their strategery if they want to beat the Climbers. '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 05:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
# Put a hammer Bro in an arctic environment, and it'll die. '''[[User:Ike's Best Buddy|<span style="color:Red">Ike's</span> <span style="color:Brown">Best</span> <span style="color:Maroon">Buddy</span>]][[User talk:Ike's Best Buddy|/<span style="color: Blue">Bird Of Prey </span>]][Code Blue|<small><sup><span style="color:silver">Don't try me!</span></sup></small>]]'''
# Put a hammer Bro in an arctic environment, and it'll die. '''[[User:Ike's Best Buddy|<span style="color:Red">Ike's</span> <span style="color:Brown">Best</span> <span style="color:Maroon">Buddy</span>]][[User talk:Ike's Best Buddy|/<span style="color: Blue">Bird Of Prey </span>]][[Code Blue|<small><sup><span style="color:silver">Don't try me!</span></sup></small>]]'''
#The Ice Climbers are characters and a piece of Nintendo's history. Hammer Bros. are assist trophies and enemies which are pretty easy to defeat. <font face="calibri" size="3">[[User:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">SapphireKirby</span>]]</font>[[User Talk:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">'''777'''</span>]] 13:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#The Ice Climbers are characters and a piece of Nintendo's history. Hammer Bros. are assist trophies and enemies which are pretty easy to defeat. <font face="calibri" size="3">[[User:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">SapphireKirby</span>]]</font>[[User Talk:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">'''777'''</span>]] 13:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
#You can't play as Hammer Bros. in  any game (apart from spin-offs and fangames) but Ice Climbers are playable in every game they've been in (though I can only think of 3 games they've been in: Ice Climber, Melee, and Brawl). Plus, Ice Climber is really cool. '''[[User:Countducky0|<span style="color:aqua">CountDucky0</span>]][[User Talk:Countduck0|<span style="color:purple"><small><sup>QUACK!</sup></small></span>]]''' 03:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
#You can't play as Hammer Bros. in  any game (apart from spin-offs and fangames) but Ice Climbers are playable in every game they've been in (though I can only think of 3 games they've been in: Ice Climber, Melee, and Brawl). Plus, Ice Climber is really cool. '''[[User:Countducky0|<span style="color:aqua">CountDucky0</span>]][[User Talk:Countduck0|<span style="color:purple"><small><sup>QUACK!</sup></small></span>]]''' 03:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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#Hammer Bros. are dumb. They throw hammers everyday.
#Hammer Bros. are dumb. They throw hammers everyday.
#Exactly!!!no one even knows where they get their hammers from.
#Exactly!!!no one even knows where they get their hammers from.
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*You're kidding, right? Please tell me that this is some sort of sick joke. I'll still vote, but you guys are losing your taste. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
*You're kidding, right? Please tell me that this is some sort of sick joke. I'll still vote, but you guys are losing your taste. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:Blame the [[Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions|suggesters]]. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="mediumslateblue">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:Blame the [[Forum:Suggestions|suggesters]]. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="mediumslateblue">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::I think we should stop the suggestions in general. There are only going to be pointless arguments, and that gives Solar Flute more ways to fight with me using her opinions. I don't mean to rule her out like that, but it's been happening alot. Many users, including Ike's Best Buddy (dang, I did it again) think it's alright to '''''SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY IN BOLDED, CAPITALIZED, AND ITALICIZED TEXT LIKE THIS''''', so the Suggestion forum should be deleted. Fried Beef already set up some good rules, so hopefully it will last long enough where I'll want it to stay. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 22:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::I think we should stop the suggestions in general. There are only going to be pointless arguments, and that gives Solar Flute more ways to fight with me using her opinions. I don't mean to rule her out like that, but it's been happening alot. Many users, including Ike's Best Buddy (dang, I did it again) think it's alright to '''''SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY IN BOLDED, CAPITALIZED, AND ITALICIZED TEXT LIKE THIS''''', so the Suggestion forum should be deleted. Fried Beef already set up some good rules, so hopefully it will last long enough where I'll want it to stay. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 22:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Metal hammer vs. wooden hammer... [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 22:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Metal hammer vs. wooden hammer... [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 22:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
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OMG! First upset! IC actually won despite the amount of votes for Hammer Bros. in the very beginning! <font face="calibri">'''[[User:Fried beef1|<font color="red">Fried</font><font color="gold">beef</font><font color="crimson">1</font>]] [[User talk:Fried beef1|<span style="color:gold"><span style="font-size: 60%">1/26/09!</span></span>]]'''</font> 19:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
OMG! First upset! IC actually won despite the amount of votes for Hammer Bros. in the very beginning! <font face="calibri">'''[[User:Fried beef1|<font color="red">Fried</font><font color="gold">beef</font><font color="crimson">1</font>]] [[User talk:Fried beef1|<span style="color:gold"><span style="font-size: 60%">1/26/09!</span></span>]]'''</font> 19:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
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#HIIII!!! [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="mediumslateblue">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:00, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#No one likes Jigglypuff... <font face="calibri">'''[[User:Fried beef1|<font color="red">Fried</font><font color="gold">beef</font><font color="crimson">1</font>]] [[User talk:Fried beef1|<span style="color:gold"><span style="font-size: 60%">1/26/09!</span></span>]]'''</font> 02:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#Kirby's my main! Go little puff! '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]  [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]'''
#Kirby can suck up enemies, has a powerful hammer, and quick attacks. Jigglypuff's attacks got a lot weaker in Brawl. '''[[User:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkTurquoise">Cloned</span>]][[User talk:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Pickle</span>]]''' 02:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#Kirby is total pwnage! How could a pink puff ball with a down throw as a apine cracker beat such a colourful but dangerous (Not to mention unique) pink ball. (Notice how i use ball instead of blob.) '''[[User:The blue blur|<b><span style="color:cyan">~Teh Blue</span></b>]]<b>[[User talk:The blue blur|<span style="color:silver"> Blur~</span>]]</b><sup>[[Special:Contributions/The blue blur|<span style="color:Gold">A revolution begins.</span>]]</sup>'''
# Kirby's bad, but Jigglypuff's worse... '''[[User:Ike's Best Buddy|<span style="color:Red">Ike's Best Buddy</span>/<span style="color:Blue"> Bird Of Prey</span>]][[User Talk:Ike's Best Buddy|<small><sup><span style="color:silver">Don't try me</span></sup></small>]]'''
# What IBB said. [[User:Bek The Conqueror|Bek The Conqueror]] ([[User talk:Bek The Conqueror|talk]]) 20:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#kirby kicks ass. <!-- literally. see what I did there?-->  --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 20:28, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#Kirby is awesome. Jiggs is terrible. [[User:Masterman|<span style="color: fuchsia">Masterman</span>]] [[User talk:Masterman|<span style="color= blue">20</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Masterman|<span style="color: gold">09</span>]] 20:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#Although Jigglypuff's eyes are big, round, and cute, Kirby himself is a hell of a lot cuter!!! [[User:Smasher2000|<font color="mediumslateblue"><span style="font-family:Arial;">'''SMSHR'''</span></font>]]
#Does Jiggs have an annoying taunt? Nope. - <font face="times new roman">[[User:GalaxiaD|<span style="color:purple">'''GalaxiaD'''</span>]]</font><font face="times new roman"> <sup>[[User Talk:GalaxiaD|<span style="color:black">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup></font> 01:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
#Ph33r teh Kirby. <font fJigglypuff just sleeps all dayace="calibri" size="3">[[User:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">SapphireKirby</span>]]</font>[[User Talk:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">'''777'''</span>]] 13:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
#Jiggs is cool and all, but Kirby is mah best char, and he rulez.  Koiby wihnz.  [[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">Para</font>]][[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Blue">Goomba</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ParaGoomba348|<font color="Red">348</font>]] 02:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
#Kirby can steal his opponent's special moves. Jigglypuff just sits there and [[Rest|Rests]]. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 02:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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#Jigglypuff shouldn't have even been in the Super Smash Bros. series in the first place. She isn't even that important of a Pokemon. [[Special:Contributions/220.253.193.153|220.253.193.153]] 06:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#kirby's just plain better ^-^72.197.63.163 05:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#Kirby fights n cook, Jigglypuff just sleeps all day
#Who doesn't love a puffball that can cook?
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#I feel bad for Jigglypuff, because really, she DOES have a really good chance of beating Kirby, especially with a move like rest.  That's why I vote her; she's the underdog! :P - [[User:BattleFranky202|BattleFranky202]] ([[User talk:BattleFranky202|talk]]) 04:14, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#Jigglypuff is my main.  I know what Jigglypuff can do.  Jigglypuff's rest kills anything that moves. [[User:Y462|Y462]] <small>([[User talk:Y462|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Y462|C]]  • [[Special:Editcount/Y462|E]] )</small> 04:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#I'll always love Kirby, but Jigglypuff was my Melee main.  'Nuff said.  &ndash; [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 05:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)   
#Jigglypuff was my main in both the original and melee, and I'm sad that hitstun reduced it to nothing, but it will be avenged!  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 07:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
#jigglypuff was great in the originall and melee. So she's good two-thirds of the time. Plus her final smash is deadly on battlefield. [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]])
#Jigglypuff is great once you know how to use her. [[User:Dexington|Dexington]] ([[User talk:Dexington|talk]]) 01:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
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#She was the only reason i could beat the final event match in Melee. [[Special:Contributions/220.253.31.203|220.253.31.203]] 09:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
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IMO, Jigglypuff quite simply needs to get off the SSB thing. NOW. '''[[User:Ike's Best Buddy|<span style="color:Red">Ike's Best Buddy</span>/<span style="color:Blue"> Bird Of Prey</span>]][[User Talk:Ike's Best Buddy|<small><sup><span style="color:silver">Don't try me</span></sup></small>]]'''
I'm sure everyone who votes for Jigglypuff disagrees. I voted for Kirby and I still disagree. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]  [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]'''
Everyone has an opinion about certain characters, but probably the most varied opinions come from Jigglypuff. Its...awkward. <font face="calibri" size="3">[[User:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">SapphireKirby</span>]]</font>[[User Talk:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">'''777'''</span>]] 13:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Why does Jigglypuff need to get out of smash bros.? [[User:Y462|Y462]] <small>([[User talk:Y462|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Y462|C]]  • [[Special:Editcount/Y462|E]] )</small> 14:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Because, IMO, Jiggs is a load of crap. '''[[User:Ike's Best Buddy|<span style="color:Red">Ike's Best Buddy</span>/<span style="color:Blue"> Bird Of Prey</span>]][[User Talk:Ike's Best Buddy|<small><sup><span style="color:silver">Don't try me</span></sup></small>]]'''
I really can't decide. I love both smashers, and the choice is too hard to make.--'''[[User:Oxico|<span style="color:green">Oxico</span>]][[User talk:Oxico|<sup><span style="color:black">I hear voices crying</span></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Oxico|<sub><span style="color:blue">I see heroes dying</span></sub>]]''' 17:40, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
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