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==Overview==
==Overview==
[[File:Terry BK Compare.gif|200px|thumb|Terry's Burning Knuckle. Standard input (top), command input (bottom).]]
[[File:Terry BK Compare.gif|200px|right|thumb|Terry's Burning Knuckle. Standard input (top), command input (bottom).]]
In traditional {{iw|wikipedia|fighting game}}s, a "command input" is typically defined as any combination of a direction and/or button press that causes a move to be executed. In the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series, it is used for attacks that require more input than a simple direction + button press, typically those that require a series of directional inputs on the [[control stick]] prior to executing the attack.
In traditional {{iw|wikipedia|fighting game}}s, a "command input" is typically defined as any combination of a direction and/or button press that causes a move to be executed. In the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series, it is used for attacks that require more input than a simple direction + button press, typically those that require a series of directional inputs on the [[control stick]] prior to executing the attack.


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==Negative edge==
==Negative edge==
[[File:TKPDCombo.gif|thumb|300px|{{Sm|Ronin X}} using Tiger Knee Power Dunk to start a combo, which involves using a weak Crack Shoot to drag Ken down. This is one such case where negative edge can be helpful.]]
[[File:TKPDCombo.gif|right|300px|thumb|{{Sm|Ronin X}} using Tiger Knee Power Dunk to start a combo, which involves using a weak Crack Shoot to drag Ken down. This is one such case where negative edge can be helpful.]]
Negative edge is a mechanic involving any command-input move, which is present [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrMlROGI3uE in traditional fighting games]. To perform, hold the attack or special move button during an attack, input the special move, and release said button shortly after the attack is over. Essentially, pressing and releasing an attack button can be treated as two separate button presses in the context of a special move. This will always be treated as a tap input, so only the weakest variations of the special moves will occur. This is not to be confused with [[buffer]]ing, which is where a player holds a button to perform an action on the first possible frame. Negative edge is present in ''SSB4'' and ''Ultimate''. While {{SSBU|Ryu}}, {{SSBU|Ken}}, and {{SSBU|Terry}} have full access to Negative edge, {{SSBU|Kazuya}} has it in a more limited form, only being able to use Negative edge with [[Left Splits Kick]]; this is in part due to his other command-input moves requiring an input during a [[Crouch Dash]], which is recognized as a separate "move".
Negative edge is a mechanic involving any command input special move, which is present [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrMlROGI3uE in traditional fighting games]. To perform, hold the attack or special move button during an attack, input the special move, and release said button shortly after the attack is over. Essentially, pressing and releasing an attack button can be treated as a half-A press in the context of a command special move. This will always be treated as a tap input, so only the weakest variations of the special moves will occur. This is not to be confused with [[buffer]]ing, which is where a player holds a button to perform an action on the first possible frame. Negative edge is present in ''SSB4'' and ''Ultimate''. While {{SSBU|Ryu}}, {{SSBU|Ken}}, and {{SSBU|Terry}} have full access to Negative edge, {{SSBU|Kazuya}} has it in a more limited form, only being able to use Negative edge with [[Left Splits Kick]]; this is in part due to his other command-input moves requiring an input during a [[Crouch Dash]], which is recognised as a separate "move".


Negative edge primarily exists to make command-inputs more lenient for players whose timing was just barely off, making it a good technique for new players to utilize when starting out. For example, with {{SSBU|Ryu}}, it is possible to use negative edge to make canceling his close strong {{mvsub|Ryu|SSBU|neutral attack}} into [[Shoryuken]] easier. However, as aforementioned, this can only result in a weak Shoryuken; due to situations like this, learning the inputs without negative edge is important in order to get full use out of the characters.  
Negative edge primarily exists to make combos with special moves easier for players to perform, making it a good technique for new players to utilize when starting out. For example, with {{SSBU|Ryu}}, it is possible to use negative edge to make canceling his close strong {{mvsub|Ryu|SSBU|neutral attack}} into [[Shoryuken]] easier. However, as aforementioned, this can only result in a weak Shoryuken; due to situations like this, learning the inputs without negative edge is important in order to get full use out of the characters.  


What the game considers a negative edge is very liberal, even applying in instances such as [[shield]] tilting. Thus, in the case of {{SSBU|Terry}}, it's possible to tilt downwards while holding the special button, then flick the control stick upwards and release the button for a weak charged [[Rising Tackle]]. However, there are more optimal routes for Rising Tackle out of shield, such as COIL, which can also allow for the strong version. This can be used with other special command-input moves, though due to their often inferior frame data, it's difficult to justify.
Negative edge's treatment of half-A presses is very liberal, even applying in instances such as [[shield]] tilting. Thus, in the case of {{SSBU|Terry}}, it's possible to tilt downwards while holding B, then flick the control stick upwards and release B for a weak charged [[Rising Tackle]]. However, there are more optimal routes for Rising Tackle out of shield, such as COIL, which can also allow for the strong version. This can be used with other special command-input moves, though due to their often inferior frame data, it's difficult to justify.


Because Negative edge only results in weak inputs, it's optimal in cases where the weak input is necessary, reducing the chance of human error. This best applies to situations such as {{SSBU|Terry}}'s {{mvsub|Terry|SSBU|neutral aerial}} into [[Burning Knuckle]], which can otherwise be difficult to recover from using the strong version off-stage. Additionally, at higher [[percentage]]s, the strong version can sometimes be too slow to connect reliably. For a more niche case, against characters like {{SSBU|Mega Man}}, {{SSBU|Robin}}, and {{SSBU|Ken}}, there are situations where Terry's {{mvsub|Terry|SSBU|up tilt}} can be canceled into a weak Crack Shoot and result in a drag down; normally at around 75%.
Because Negative edge only results in weak inputs, it's optimal in cases where the weak input is necessary, reducing the chance of human error. This best applies to situations such as {{SSBU|Terry}}'s {{mvsub|Terry|SSBU|neutral aerial}} into [[Burning Knuckle]], which can otherwise be difficult to recover from using the strong version off-stage. Additionally, at higher [[percentage]]s, the strong version can sometimes be too slow to connect reliably. For a more niche case, against characters like {{SSBU|Mega Man}}, {{SSBU|Robin}}, and {{SSBU|Ken}}, there are situations where Terry's {{mvsub|Terry|SSBU|up tilt}} can be canceled into a weak Crack Shoot and result in a drag down; normally at around 75%.
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==Tiger Knee==
==Tiger Knee==
[[File:TigerKneePowerDunk.gif|thumb|300px|Ronin X performing Tiger Knee Power Dunk. Notice that Terry skipped the usual landing lag.]]
[[File:TigerKneePowerDunk.gif|right|300px|thumb|Ronin X performing Tiger Knee Power Dunk. Notice that Terry skipped the usual landing lag.]]
Tiger Knee is an advanced technique exclusive to ''Ultimate'' that involves making use of a jump alongside command inputs. Because none of his command-input moves can be used while airborne, {{SSBU|Kazuya}} cannot make use of his technique. The name comes from Sagat's Tiger Knee attack in ''Street Fighter'', whose atypical input of '''↓ ↘ → ↗ + Kick''' allowed certain air special moves to be done as low to the ground as possible [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnTx4lRI8bA in other games following its debut]. This can be applied to any command-input move that can be used in the air; ergo, [[Super Special Move]]s, Oosoto Mawashi Geri, and Nata Otoshi Geri cannot be utilized with this technique. It is mainly viable with {{SSBU|Terry}} thanks to the sheer amount of aerial pressure he can exert using his special moves. However, there is niche utility with Ryu and Ken as well, albeit being extremely committal and not having much benefit over simply jumping and doing the input.  
Tiger Knee is an advanced technique exclusive to ''Ultimate'' that involves making use of a jump alongside command inputs. Because none of his command input special moves can be used off the ground, {{SSBU|Kazuya}} cannot make use of his technique. The name comes from Sagat's Tiger Knee attack in ''Street Fighter'', whose atypical input of '''↓ ↘ → ↗ + Kick''' allowed certain air special moves to be done as low to the ground as possible [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnTx4lRI8bA in other games following its debut]. This can be applied to any command input special move that can be used in the air; ergo, [[Super Special Move]]s, Oosoto Mawashi Geri, and Nata Otoshi Geri cannot be utilized with this technique. It is mainly viable with {{SSBU|Terry}} thanks to the sheer amount of aerial pressure he can exert using his special moves. However, there is niche utility with Ryu and Ken as well, albeit being extremely committal and not having much benefit over simply jumping and doing the input.  


To perform the technique, input a jump alongside a singular button press immediately after inputting a command-input; for example, to do a Tiger Knee Burning Knuckle, one would do '''↓ ↘ → + Jump + Attack / Special''', in which the aerial version would be done, ignoring the ledge. Due to requiring a jump prior to the final input, it cannot be used alongside a special cancel, which puts a firm cap on its utility.  
To perform the technique, input a jump alongside a singular A or B press prior to inputting a command special; for example, to do a Tiger Knee Burning Knuckle, one would do '''↓ ↘ → + Jump + Attack / Special''', in which the aerial version would be done, ignoring the ledge. Due to requiring a jump prior to the final input, it cannot be used alongside a special cancel, which puts a firm cap on its utility.  


If performed correctly, a jump will occur at the same time as the special move. This has various applications for Terry, such as [[autocancel]]ing [[Power Dunk]]<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ZyEitiOZQ</ref>, getting a higher arc with [[Crack Shoot]], and using [[Burning Knuckle]]'s aerial variation closer to the ground, allowing it to drift past the ledge. An autocanceled Power Dunk using this technique is even on [[shield]], enabling Terry to mix up with moves like {{mvsub|Terry|SSBU|neutral attack}}. Additionally, it acts as a somewhat committal way to get past projectiles, which can also be applied to Tiger Knee Crack Shoot. Tiger Knee Burning Knuckle allows Terry to get around the grounded version locking him to the ledge, boosting its potential threat range on-stage and making Terry's [[edgeguard]]ing much less committal. With respect to {{SSBU|Ryu}} and {{SSBU|Ken}}, using a Tiger Knee Tatsumaki Senpukyaku can force the move to do a rising version, acting as a committal anti-air option.
If performed correctly, a jump will occur at the same time as the special move. This has various applications for Terry, such as [[autocancel]]ing [[Power Dunk]]<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ZyEitiOZQ</ref>, getting a higher arc with [[Crack Shoot]], and using [[Burning Knuckle]]'s aerial variation closer to the ground, allowing it to drift past the ledge. An autocanceled Power Dunk using this technique is even on [[shield]], enabling Terry to mix up with moves like {{mvsub|Terry|SSBU|neutral attack}}. Additionally, it acts as a somewhat committal way to get past projectiles, which can also be applied to Tiger Knee Crack Shoot. Tiger Knee Burning Knuckle allows Terry to get around the grounded version locking him to the ledge, boosting its potential threat range on-stage and making Terry's [[edgeguard]]ing much less committal. With respect to {{SSBU|Ryu}} and {{SSBU|Ken}}, using a Tiger Knee Tatsumaki Senpukyaku can force the move to do a rising version, acting as a committal anti-air option.
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==Renda canceling==
==Renda canceling==
'''Renda canceling''' is an advanced technique introduced in ''Ultimate'' which makes it easier to cancel normal attacks into super attacks. It is a misnomer based on the '''renda-kara-cancel''' used in ''Super Street Fighter II'', which involved kara-canceling the startup of a self-chaining light attack into a super combo in order to ignore the restriction that chained light attacks cannot special or super cancel. This technique however does not involve self-chaining light attacks (the "renda" in ''renda cancel''), nor kara-cancels, it is simply an execution trick that makes it easier to perform special cancels from tilts.
'''Renda canceling''' is an advanced technique introduced in ''Ultimate'' which makes it easier to cancel normal attacks into super attacks. It is a misnomer based on the '''renda-kara-cancel''' used in ''Super Street Fighter II'', which involved kara-canceling the startup of a self-chaining light attack into a super combo in order to ignore the restriction that chained light attacks cannot special or super cancel. This technique however does not involve self-chaining light attacks (the renda in renda cancel), nor kara-cancels, it is simply an execution trick that makes it easier to perform special cancels from tilts.


This technique consists of inputting part of a command special, attacking with the [[C-Stick]], and subsequently finishing the input. It occurs because C-Stick macros cannot trigger special moves (so ↓ ↘ → + C-Stick won't be interpreted as a burn knuckle, just down tilt), while keeping the completed part of the special move motion in the command buffer. The purpose of this is making it easier to special or super cancel from tilt attacks, because you can do part of the motion before the tilt, and part of the motion as the tilt connects, instead of needing to do the whole motion during the tilt attack.
This technique consists of inputting part of a command special, attacking with the [[C-Stick]], and subsequently finishing the input. It occurs because C-Stick macros cannot trigger special moves (so ↓ ↘ → + C-Stick won't be interpreted as a burn knuckle, just down tilt), while keeping the completed part of the special move motion in the command buffer. The purpose of this is making it easier to special or super cancel from tilt attacks, because you can do part of the motion before the tilt, and part of the motion as the tilt connects, instead of needing to do the whole motion during the tilt attack.
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==Command orientation input locking==
==Command orientation input locking==
'''Command orientation input locking''' (often abbreviated as '''COIL''', sometimes known as COIL charging) is an [[advanced technique]] introduced in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''.<ref>[https://youtu.be/2w0c2PT8AWo COIL video by RoninX]</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/dcoSzJDT6Xk COIL video by SecSho Resources]</ref> It involves exploiting a quirk in the way the game reads controller inputs to trick it into thinking that the player is moving in two directions at the same time. Because of this, while COIL is technically performable with every fighter, it is only truly useful for {{SSBU|Ryu}}, {{SSBU|Ken}}, {{SSBU|Terry}} and {{SSBU|Kazuya}}, where the first input of a command input or charge motion is available to them at all times, making said inputs easier to perform. Terry especially benefits from this technique by being able to run up to an opponent and perform an invincible [[Rising Tackle]] without holding down for 24 frames or charge partitioning. The only disadvantage to COIL, while significant in many scenarios, is that the attack button ceases to function while the C-Stick is held, making normal attacks unusable.
'''Command orientation input locking''' (often abbreviated as '''COIL''', sometimes known as COIL charging) is an [[advanced technique]] introduced in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''.<ref>[https://youtu.be/2w0c2PT8AWo COIL video by RoninX]</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/dcoSzJDT6Xk COIL video by SecSho Resources]</ref> It involves exploiting a quirk in the way the game reads controller inputs to trick it into thinking that the player is moving in two directions at the same time. Because of this, while COIL is technically performable with every fighter, it's only truly useful for {{SSBU|Ryu}}, {{SSBU|Ken}}, {{SSBU|Terry}} and {{SSBU|Kazuya}}, where the first input of a command input or charge motion is available to them at all times, making said inputs easier to perform. Terry especially benefits from this technique by being able to run up to an opponent and perform an invincible [[Rising Tackle]] without holding down for 24 frames or charge partitioning. The only disadvantage to COIL, while significant in many scenarios, is that the attack button ceases to function while the C-Stick is held, making normal attacks unusable.


Before performing this technique, the player needs to ensure that their [[C-Stick]] is set to tilt attacks instead of smash attacks. The player then needs to hold the control stick in a certain direction, then hold the C-Stick in the same direction. Then, the player needs to let go of the control stick while still holding the C-Stick. For example, if the technique is done correctly and both sticks are held down followed by the control stick being released, the C-Stick will trick the game into thinking the control stick is still down.  
Before performing this technique, the player needs to ensure that their [[C-Stick]] is set to tilt attacks instead of smash attacks. The player then needs to hold the control stick in a certain direction, then hold the C-Stick in the same direction. Then, the player needs to let go of the control stick while still holding the C-Stick. For example, if the technique is done correctly and both sticks are held down followed by the control stick being released, the C-Stick will trick the game into thinking the control stick is still down.  
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==Origin==
==Origin==
[[File:SagatTigerKneeSF2.png|thumb|200px|Sagat performing Tiger Knee in ''Street Fighter II'', a move that would go on to become the namesake for the staple fighting game technique of the same name.]]
[[File:SagatTigerKneeSF2.png|thumb|200px|right|Sagat performing Tiger Knee in ''Street Fighter II'', a move that would go on to become the namesake for the staple fighting game technique of the same name.]]
[[File:Tekken5EWGF.gif|thumb|200px|Kazuya executing the Electric Wind God Fist in ''Tekken 5'', a prime example of a "just frame" move.]]
[[File:Tekken5EWGF.gif|thumb|200px|right|Kazuya executing the Electric Wind God Fist in ''Tekken 5'', a prime example of a "just frame" move.]]
Command inputs can be traced back to the 1987 arcade game ''Street Fighter''. In that game, the player can access the [[Hadoken]], [[Tatsumaki Senpukyaku]], and [[Shoryuken]] with their respective inputs. There was a very strict window to activate, but all moves did massive amounts of damage to compensate. Players complained that the activation window was too strict which led to inputs being "eaten" and the controls feeling inconsistent. Capcom listened to these complaints and decided to make special moves easier to perform at the cost of damage for ''Street Fighter II''. Takashi Nishiyama, creator of ''Street Fighter'', also listened to these complaints after moving to [[SNK]] and created {{uv|Fatal Fury}}. These two games laid the foundation for all fighting games in the future, and the inputs introduced are now commonplace across the genre.
Command inputs can be traced back to the 1987 arcade game ''Street Fighter''. In that game, the player can access the [[Hadoken]], [[Tatsumaki Senpukyaku]], and [[Shoryuken]] with their respective inputs. There was a very strict window to activate, but all moves did massive amounts of damage to compensate. Players complained that the activation window was too strict which led to inputs being "eaten" and the controls feeling inconsistent. Capcom listened to these complaints and decided to make special moves easier to perform at the cost of damage for ''Street Fighter II''. Takashi Nishiyama, creator of ''Street Fighter'', also listened to these complaints after moving to [[SNK]] and created {{uv|Fatal Fury}}. These two games laid the foundation for all fighting games in the future, and the inputs introduced are now commonplace across the genre.


Negative Edge is primarily seen in traditional fighting games, particularly ''Street Fighter''. The term "negative" refers to the release of a depressed button, and for this reason, it sometimes goes by names such as "Button Up". The game counts releasing that button as another button press in an attempt make special moves easier to perform. Releasing a button hold can trigger a special move when the motion is performed the same way as pressing a button can, but without the risk of accidentally throwing an undesired move out. This mechanic is useful for performing special moves, as it widens the activation window and reduces the dexterity necessary to activate a move, and can even lead to unique combo and setup techniques that would otherwise be infeasible to perform with only button presses. Since its inception, games like ''Marvel vs. Capcom'' and ''BlazBlue'' adopted it for accessibility purposes.
Negative Edge is primarily seen in traditional fighting games, particularly ''Street Fighter''. The term "negative" refers to the release of a depressed button, and for this reason, it sometimes goes by names such as "Button Up". If a button is held down for long enough, the game counts releasing that button as another button press. Releasing a button hold can trigger a special move when the motion is performed the same way as pressing a button can, but without the risk of accidentally throwing an undesired move out. This mechanic is useful for performing special moves, as it widens the activation window and reduces the dexterity necessary to activate a move, and can even lead to unique combo and setup techniques that would otherwise be infeasible to perform with only button presses. Since its inception, games like ''Marvel vs. Capcom'' and ''BlazBlue'' adopted it for accessibility purposes.


Tiger Knee got its name from Sagat's "Tiger Knee" (↓ ↘ → + ↗ + Kick). First usable in ''Street Fighter II: Championship Edition'', his first playable appearance, the move involves using a jump input (↗) to perform. As is in ''Ultimate'', it is performed by using the command on the ground and doing the final input when airborne. While Sagat himself had no use for the technique, the input itself later became useful in other fighting games—particularly ''Guilty Gear''—allowing for aerial versions of moves to be used extremely close to the ground. Because of this, moves utilized through this bypass are referred to as being "Tiger Kneed".
Tiger Knee got its name from Sagat's "Tiger Knee" (↓ ↘ → + ↗ + Kick). First usable in ''Street Fighter II: Championship Edition'', his first playable appearance, the move involves using a jump input (↗) to perform. As is in ''Ultimate'', it is performed by using the command on the ground and doing the final input when airborne. While Sagat himself had no use for the technique, the input itself later became useful in other fighting games—particularly ''Guilty Gear''—allowing for aerial versions of moves to be used extremely close to the ground. Because of this, moves utilized through this bypass are referred to as being "Tiger Kneed".

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