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===Limits on grabbing=== | ===Limits on grabbing=== | ||
[[File:GW Ungrabbable SSBU.jpg|thumb|300px|An example of a grab failing to connect despite appearing as though it should connect, due to Mr. Game & Watch's arms and hands being ungrabbable]] | [[File:GW Ungrabbable SSBU.jpg|thumb|300px|An example of a grab failing to connect despite appearing as though it should connect, due to Mr. Game & Watch's arms and hands being ungrabbable]] | ||
In all games, most characters cannot be grabbed by less central parts of their bodies, such as lower arms, legs, or tails, which can lead to some unusual results against characters with extreme proportions. This varies depending on character; for instance, in ''Melee'', all of Kirby's hurtboxes can be grabbed, but only Jigglypuff's body is grabbable, while its hands, feet and hair curl are not<ref>https://twitter.com/UnclePunch_/status/1166922159542980608</ref> | In all games, most characters cannot be grabbed by less central parts of their bodies, such as lower arms, legs, or tails, which can lead to some unusual results against characters with extreme proportions. This varies depending on character; for instance, in ''Melee'', all of Kirby's hurtboxes can be grabbed, but only Jigglypuff's body is grabbable, while its hands, feet and hair curl are not.<ref>https://twitter.com/UnclePunch_/status/1166922159542980608</ref> From ''Brawl'' onward, ungrabbable limbs tend to be only arms, with a few exceptions. Furthermore, from ''Brawl'' onward, characters cannot grab opponents behind them, even if the grab [[hitbox]]es connect with a grabbable part of their body that extends in front of them; this is unlike in ''Melee'', where not only this is possible, but certain dash grabs have some grabboxes intentionally placed behind the user. | ||
A particular character can grab only one opponent at once, and similarly, neither the user nor the victim can be grabbed by another character before the grab ends. Prior to ''Ultimate'', the [[Ice Climbers]] are able to grab two opponents at once, with each climber grabbing one opponent. In ''Melee'', Nana becomes [[CPU]]-controlled when grabbing an opponent, whereas in ''Brawl'', she can be controlled by the player during the grab, enabling [[zero-to-death combo]]s as each Ice Climber regrabs the opponent immediately after the partner's throw. In ''Ultimate'', Nana cannot grab at all, nor act while Popo is grabbing and throwing an opponent. | A particular character can grab only one opponent at once, and similarly, neither the user nor the victim can be grabbed by another character before the grab ends. Prior to ''Ultimate'', the [[Ice Climbers]] are able to grab two opponents at once, with each climber grabbing one opponent. In ''Melee'', Nana becomes [[CPU]]-controlled when grabbing an opponent, whereas in ''Brawl'', she can be controlled by the player during the grab, enabling [[zero-to-death combo]]s as each Ice Climber regrabs the opponent immediately after the partner's throw. In ''Ultimate'', Nana cannot grab at all, nor act while Popo is grabbing and throwing an opponent. | ||
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===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''=== | ===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''=== | ||
[[File:MarthAndYoshiGrabRange.gif|thumb|{{SSBM|Yoshi}}'s grab range compared to {{SSBM|Marth}}'s. Note that Marth's grab only succeeds due the large [[hurtbox]] of Yoshi's nose.]] | [[File:MarthAndYoshiGrabRange.gif|thumb|{{SSBM|Yoshi}}'s grab range compared to {{SSBM|Marth}}'s. Note that Marth's grab only succeeds due the large [[hurtbox]] of Yoshi's nose.]] | ||
''Melee'' grab ranges by character according to Zeckemyro and SuperSqank.<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376977622123560964</ref> This testing is done by calculating the distance between bone 0 (the character's position) and the tip of the furthest grabbox. While Bowser and Yoshi have higher grab ranges than Marth (who was thought to have the longest non-tether grab in the game), this is only because the long range of their grabboxes was made to fit their larger bodies<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376911520010010628</ref> | ''Melee'' grab ranges by character according to Zeckemyro and SuperSqank.<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376977622123560964</ref> This testing is done by calculating the distance between bone 0 (the character's position) and the tip of the furthest grabbox. While Bowser and Yoshi have higher grab ranges than Marth (who was thought to have the longest non-tether grab in the game), this is only because the long range of their grabboxes was made to fit their larger bodies.<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376911520010010628</ref> Marth has a better grab by comparison due to its better disjoint compared to his smaller size despite having less range overall (which is further complimented by its superior speed). | ||
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===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''=== | ===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''=== | ||
[[File:GrabRankingsSSBU.gif|thumb|300px|Grabs in ''SSBU'' ranked from shortest to longest.]] | [[File:GrabRankingsSSBU.gif|thumb|300px|Grabs in ''SSBU'' ranked from shortest to longest.]] | ||
Grab ranges in ''Ultimate'' as tested by Zeckemyro<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1488287321346695176</ref> and CrimsonStarfall<ref>https://twitter.com/CrimsonStarfall/status/1316920799522115585</ref> | Grab ranges in ''Ultimate'' as tested by Zeckemyro<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1488287321346695176</ref> and CrimsonStarfall.<ref>https://twitter.com/CrimsonStarfall/status/1316920799522115585</ref> The number besides each position indicates the range using in-game units. Extended grabs will be followed by an asterisk (*) due to only being approximations. Their range was tested and is placed correctly. [[Jostle]] and the height of the grabboxes can affect their consistency in the midst of battle. The grabs are listed based on their raw horizontal range. | ||
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!Rank!!Character!!Grab range | !Rank!!Character!!Grab range | ||
