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{{proposal}} | {{proposal|passed|2=This proposal has been up for over a year and the Discord channel has been pinged about it several times over the past several months, consensus is widely in support of this and dissenting voices have had more than enough time to make their voices heard. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 07:47, July 22, 2023 (EDT)}} | ||
Seeing as how the [[Forum:Smash Remix content|prior proposal]] passed with option 3 (Mod page and character icons), I figured I'd start another proposal for further coverage on ''[[Smash Remix]]''. | Seeing as how the [[Forum:Smash Remix content|prior proposal]] passed with option 3 (Mod page and character icons), I figured I'd start another proposal for further coverage on ''[[Smash Remix]]''. | ||
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#At this point, there's a lot of work that has been put into Smash Remix where I think it deserves to get a bit of spotlight on SmashWiki. I will admit that I just think the mod is such a dope idea with great execution. I also think in comparison to the Melee Wolf and Charizard mods, there are way more new characters in Smash Remix where there's a beefy amount of content that can be given pages on SmashWiki, without it being out of place/stubs. [[User:PowerShield03|PowerShield03]] ([[User talk:PowerShield03|talk]]) 20:38, May 10, 2023 (EDT) | #At this point, there's a lot of work that has been put into Smash Remix where I think it deserves to get a bit of spotlight on SmashWiki. I will admit that I just think the mod is such a dope idea with great execution. I also think in comparison to the Melee Wolf and Charizard mods, there are way more new characters in Smash Remix where there's a beefy amount of content that can be given pages on SmashWiki, without it being out of place/stubs. [[User:PowerShield03|PowerShield03]] ([[User talk:PowerShield03|talk]]) 20:38, May 10, 2023 (EDT) | ||
#It's getting more and more popular which can be a benefit if more content from the mod is added to Smash Wiki. [[File:ThegameandwatchIcon2.png|20px]] [[User:Thegameandwatch|<span style=" color: Green;">'''Thegameandwatch'''</span>]] [[File:Thegameandwatch signature icon.png|20px]] [[User talk:Thegameandwatch|''<span style="color: blue;">The Nerd </span>'']] 14:31, June 8, 2023 (EDT) | #It's getting more and more popular which can be a benefit if more content from the mod is added to Smash Wiki. [[File:ThegameandwatchIcon2.png|20px]] [[User:Thegameandwatch|<span style=" color: Green;">'''Thegameandwatch'''</span>]] [[File:Thegameandwatch signature icon.png|20px]] [[User talk:Thegameandwatch|''<span style="color: blue;">The Nerd </span>'']] 14:31, June 8, 2023 (EDT) | ||
#With precedent set by Project M and the sustained and growing popularity of Remix compared to the original I don't see why this shouldn't pass. [[User:Levii|Levii]] [[User talk:Levii|(talk)]] 18:50, June 30, 2023 (EDT) | |||
#I can see why people would view this addition as redundant as Smash Remix in its current state isn't as influential within the community as Project M, but I see more good than harm from this proposal, so I'd say this should pass. [[User:LaughingElfMan|LaughingElfMan]] ([[User talk:LaughingElfMan|talk]]) 19:41, June 30, 2023 (EDT) | |||
#Not much else to say that hasn't already been mentioned above and in SM's response to Toomai. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 19:46, June 30, 2023 (EDT) | |||
#Sounds like a plan. Although after this I would suggest that we try to come up with some more rigid guidelines for mod representation in the future. Sincerely, '''[[User:Ender R. Musk|<span style="color:#cc00fa">Ender</span>]] [[User talk:Ender R. Musk|<span style="color:olive">REAL (NOT CLICKBAIT)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ender R. Musk|<span style="color: #012061">Musk</span>]]'''. 15:42, July 16, 2023 (EDT) | |||
==Oppose== | ==Oppose== | ||
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#::I think this line of reasoning is fairly outdated considering that meaningful guide/tutorial culture has largely shifted away using "major gaming websites", especially for competitive games. Most talk of guides or tutorials are largely exclusive to dedicated Discord servers or YouTube channels. That's not even considering the fact that gaming websites in general have seen a huge decline in recent years. In fact, a lot of guides you find on Google tend to be AI generated. With all these things considered, Smash Remix has definitely received a notable amount of mainstream coverage within the modern day gaming landscape.<br> | #::I think this line of reasoning is fairly outdated considering that meaningful guide/tutorial culture has largely shifted away using "major gaming websites", especially for competitive games. Most talk of guides or tutorials are largely exclusive to dedicated Discord servers or YouTube channels. That's not even considering the fact that gaming websites in general have seen a huge decline in recent years. In fact, a lot of guides you find on Google tend to be AI generated. With all these things considered, Smash Remix has definitely received a notable amount of mainstream coverage within the modern day gaming landscape.<br> | ||
#::Your reasoning also ignores the fact that Remix has become nearly as much a part of the competitive 64 scene as the vanilla game. In my opinion, this holds much more importance over "mainstream" coverage. [[User:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:#850FFA; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Señor'''</span> <span style="color:#850FFA;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px green">'''Mexicano'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:lightpurple;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px lightgreen">(talk)</span>]]'' 18:36, June 30, 2023 (EDT) | #::Your reasoning also ignores the fact that Remix has become nearly as much a part of the competitive 64 scene as the vanilla game. In my opinion, this holds much more importance over "mainstream" coverage. [[User:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:#850FFA; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Señor'''</span> <span style="color:#850FFA;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px green">'''Mexicano'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:lightpurple;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px lightgreen">(talk)</span>]]'' 18:36, June 30, 2023 (EDT) | ||
#:::I am looking for a definitive, objective barometer of notability that this mod passes and all others don't, which can be used for future such discussions in the same way that "got picked up by major game websites" was defined to be PM's. I'm not seeing that here - just "it's big enough". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Rainbow 11:47, July 1, 2023 (EDT) | |||
#'''Oppose''' as per Toomai. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:41, April 17, 2023 (EDT) | #'''Oppose''' as per Toomai. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:41, April 17, 2023 (EDT) | ||
==Comments== | ==Comments== | ||
Looking through the Smash 64 community, I've noticed that at least a sizable portion community members almost see Remix as an outright replacement to the original. Hell, they still use Remix for "vanilla" events where they'll only allow the vanilla cast, solely because of the QoL enhancements it brings. It seems that the only thing stopping it from actually being a replacement is that larger events are terrified of running modded Smash events due to what happened to P+ (and for all I know, they may still be run under the hood anyway). If we consider each Smash title as its own "thing", then I see even less reason to not cover Remix further than before. --[[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]] 02:40, May 6, 2023 (EDT) | Looking through the Smash 64 community, I've noticed that at least a sizable portion community members almost see Remix as an outright replacement to the original. Hell, they still use Remix for "vanilla" events where they'll only allow the vanilla cast, solely because of the QoL enhancements it brings. It seems that the only thing stopping it from actually being a replacement is that larger events are terrified of running modded Smash events due to what happened to P+ (and for all I know, they may still be run under the hood anyway). If we consider each Smash title as its own "thing", then I see even less reason to not cover Remix further than before. --[[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]] 02:40, May 6, 2023 (EDT) | ||
Bumping for a last call, '''comment on this now if you haven't already''', this will be decided on within the week and I don't want to hear any complaints about the result of this proposal later on from people who never "voted" on it during the whole year they had to do so. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:31, July 16, 2023 (EDT) | |||