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:::Also, it's not like Green Hill Zone's ground breaking is original to Smash—that's what the level is and has been known for in the Sonic series. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: yellow;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: white; text-shadow: 0 0 2px black;">'''the</span> <span style="color: purple;">Nonbinary</span> <span style="color: black;">Rurouni'''</span>]] 09:58, June 23, 2022 (EDT) | :::Also, it's not like Green Hill Zone's ground breaking is original to Smash—that's what the level is and has been known for in the Sonic series. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: yellow;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: white; text-shadow: 0 0 2px black;">'''the</span> <span style="color: purple;">Nonbinary</span> <span style="color: black;">Rurouni'''</span>]] 09:58, June 23, 2022 (EDT) | ||
You guys are simply overthinking this. Breakable terrain usually works in a certain way. In this case it works in a different way. This is unusual behaviour, as it's not normal for terrain to destroy itself. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 10:03, June 23, 2022 (EDT) | You guys are simply overthinking this. Breakable terrain usually works in a certain way. In this case it works in a different way. This is unusual behaviour, as it's not normal for terrain to destroy itself. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 10:03, June 23, 2022 (EDT) | ||
:Min Min doesn't have traditional specials, tilts, or aerials, Kazuya has attacks galore. There are stages with multiple planes, there are stages with fewer dimensions. There is terrain that can go away on a timer, there is terrain that can go away by taking damage, there is terrain that moves based on weight, there is terrain that takes damage from weight (Boxing Ring). So, how is it odd that terrain can be a little different? What is stopping terrain from having a timer and health? Add some params, add a function, simple. You are overthinking this by thinking that everything that is breakable terrain has to function the exact same way when Smash loves throwing in gimmicks that go counter to that idea. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 10:18, June 23, 2022 (EDT) | |||
==Wuhu Island== | |||
I asked on the talk page why isn’t wuhu island banned in competitive. Why can’t we use talk pages for that given that no one noted why the hazards off version is banned anyways? | |||
It’s something that can be noted in the article, not asking something like “who do you like the most in the fighters pass?” <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Gligar2007|Gligar2007]] ([[User talk:Gligar2007|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gligar2007|contribs]]) 23:44, June 25, 2022 (EDT)</small> | |||
You should have made it clearer that your post was about expanding the article's content, because it was not immediately apparent. Anyway, Wuhu is banned because it has slopes that turn upwards at the edges and is a semisoft platform like Skyloft, not much else about it. And please [[SW:SIGN|fix your signature]]. [[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 05:25, June 26, 2022 (EDT) | |||
Wouldn’t anyone see that no one mentioned why hazards off is not in the article? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Gligar2007|Gligar2007]] ([[User talk:Gligar2007|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gligar2007|contribs]]) 09:01, June 26, 2022 (EDT)</small> | |||
== Edit warring == | |||
Given how often you edit war here and that you've already been warned on it before, you have been given more than enough chances. You can take the week off, and any farther edit warring from you will result in successively longer blocks. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:48, July 30, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:I assume this is over [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Shulk_(SSBU)/Dash_attack&curid=108469&diff=1713608&oldid=1713598 this]. This actually wasn't a 1RV violation (though I kinda figured it might be interpreted that way). Toomai misunderstood my edit. From his edit summary it was clear that he was unaware of the effect the arts have on the move, hence his reference to the aerials which would not be relevant to the issue. Per 1RV, a revert may be used if "a valid edit was misunderstood or misinterpreted by the reverter, though this should be accompanied by an explanation". Toomai was under the impression that the move's hitboxes were unaffected by the speed and shield arts, which is NOT true, hence my revert + explanation. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 19:58, July 30, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::"''This actually wasn't a 1RV violation (though I kinda figured it might be interpreted that way).''" | |||
::You double reverted, as you constantly do here, end of the story. Take it to the talk page next time like you know damn well to. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:03, July 30, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::...I...just quoted you an exception that is clearly stated in 1RV...if you don't believe me, you can read it for yourself [[SW:WAR#Only revert once|here]]. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' | |||
::::There is no "misunderstanding" or "misinterpretation", you blatantly double reverted. If you're going to keep trying to wiki lawyer out of this, your talk page will be locked too. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:22, July 30, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::::I'm not "wiki lawyering" anything. There are 6 exemptions to 1RV. My edit falls under exemption 3. You can't claim I violated a rule I didn't violate, and then when I point out that I didn't violate it, throw out further allegations against me. Can you please actually listen to what I'm saying this time? ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 20:25, July 30, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::::::I would agree with you Alex if it weren't for the fact that there is no incorrect information present by simply removing the image tag. Simply leave a note on Toomai's and/or the article's talk and wait for a response, no harm done. That said @OT I oppose a block here, too fragile a reason. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 20:28, July 30, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::::::Since SK left without correcting himself here, just going to post here that he retracted his position on discord, as he was initially under the impression that Alex only reverted Toomai and missed that he already reverted Drakroar prior. | |||
::::::@Alex: This attempt to wikilawyer has gone on enough, stop trying to misinterpret policies to absolve yourself and just use a damn talk page for once. Your talk page is being locked. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:04, July 30, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::::::The exception Alex is referring to here reads as follows: "If a valid edit was misunderstood or misinterpreted by the reverter, though this should be accompanied by an explanation." | |||
::::::Considering that there were two separate users reverting Alex here, neither of whom claim to have "misunderstood or misunterpreted" anything when removing the tag, this exception cannot be used to qualify multiple reversions. For the image tag itself, whether something is or isn't necessary is subjective and cannot be declared factually incorrect, and thus if there is a disagreement, the discussion is to go to the talk page. | |||
::::::Also I'll confirm real quick that I have in fact retracted my opposition of a block. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 13:10, July 31, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== [[Special:Diff/1716727|Your Lucario edit]] == | |||
I would like to point out the pages for both Aura Sphere and Extreme Speed have trivia points that mention quirks about them that are only present in ''Brawl'', yet neither of them are pointed out on Lucario's ''Brawl'' page. | |||
In my opinion, trivia that focuses on one of the fighter's special moves should be put on said move's page instead of the fighter's, regardless of whether or not said trivia is only relevant in one installment. Yes, the fighter is technically relevant to the trivia, but the move is clearly the main focus. | |||
Also, removing trivia better suited on other pages helps reduce the amount of bloat on a trivia section, which is the reason why we have a "trivia" tag in the first place. | |||
So overall, I don't think the trivia only being relevant in ''Ultimate'' should really matter that much when the page's subject (Lucario) isn't necessarily the main focus of said trivia. Hope I elaborated my points well enough. [[File:JacketTerraSig1.png|20px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:JacketTerraSig2.png|20px]] 13:15, August 10, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:Are you suggesting that a trivia point being about a special move specifically prohibits it from being on a character's article? While a trivia point about any other move would be included on said page? I see no reason why the trivia point can't go there, especially since that article's trivia section is so barren already. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 13:28, August 10, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::I would like to point out [[SW:TRIV]] states: | |||
:::"''Trivia must be on the right page. For instance, a minor glitch involving Aether belongs on Aether and not on Ike (SSBB) or Ike.''" | |||
::Since this trivia is Ultimate specific it probably doesn't matter much where it goes, but since the main point of the trivia is about Force Palm, my opinion is that it works better on the Force Palm page. Also I don't see a problem with a trivia section being barren, as those are the sections most prone to becoming filled with unnecessary bloat, furthermore I hardly see how 5 trivia points is "barren". [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omega Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 20:14, August 10, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::I mean, arguably the main point is about the ''tip'', and how it's false. A false tip about a character seems like a good fit for the character's article to me. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 04:58, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::::Except the tip isn't about Lucario, it's about Force Palm. Case closed. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 12:52, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::::It literally ''is'' though. It's about Lucario's aura, and its effect on one of Lucario's moves. Trivia about individual moves is listen on many character trivia pages. Why should this be any different? Or are you suggesting we remove every trivia point that's about one of the characters' moves, because it's "not about the character, it's about the move"? ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 13:05, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
<small>(Reset indent) </small> The tip is literally labelled under "'''Force Palm Throws (Side Special)'''". I fail to see how that has more to do with Lucario than the move itself. Yes, it touches on aura, but that's because ''every attack in Lucario's moveset'' uses that effect. What are you not getting? I said case closed. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 13:10, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:Alright, calm down, there's no need to go Phoenix Wright on me... | |||
:It's a move LUCARIO uses. It's not just some move floating around in the game's code, it's one of LUCARIO's moves. So it absolutely is relevant to Lucario. How can you say it shouldn't be on Lucario's trivia section, when as I've already pointed out, we regularly note quirks with characters' moves on their trivia articles, such as a trivia point about Ike's cape during Aether being on his trivia section. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 13:17, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::The point isn't that Lucario uses the move, the point is that it is a move that happens to belong to Lucario. It is more relevant to the move than it is to Lucario. Again, what are you not getting? Are you about to suggest that the glitch about Lightning Chariot (you know, [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Lightning_Chariot&diff=prev&oldid=1196754 the one that you added]) should be moved to every stage it could be performed on because of the fact that the move was being used on the STAGE? | |||
::Also, while I did fail to respond to that comment in my initial response, given that (as quoted by Omega Toad) we have a policy in place stating that trivia should be placed accordingly, we should absolutely be putting factoids relevant to moves on the pages for the moves themselves rather than character pages. I won't suggest outright deleting them, trivia is trivia, but I ''will'' suggest moving them to the correct location. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 13:28, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::That is not a valid analogy. Lightning Chariot does not belong to the individual stages, it belongs to Pit. But there would be nothing wrong putting it on Pit's article. Trivia about a character's move is still trivia about the character. What's wrong with putting these trivia points in a more visible location, so more people will see them, rather than dumping them on the less visited move pages? As an example, the Ike trivia I mentioned was recently featured in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5NDczPuXRQ this video], but only because it was placed in a visible location. Had it been relegated to the move page, it wouldn't have been seen in this case. I'd imagine this applies to a lot of people who read the trivia sections on character articles, but not necessarily on smaller, lower traffic articles. And if a trivia section isn't that big, such as in this case, that's all the more reason to welcome this kind of trivia onto them. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 13:35, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::::"''Trivia about a character's move is still trivia about the character.''" | |||
::::'''No, it's not.''' If it's, by your own admission, "trivia about a character's move", then it's trivia about a character's move. | |||
:::::"''What's wrong with putting these trivia points in a more visible location, so more people will see them, rather than dumping them on the less visited move pages?''" | |||
::::If people want to learn more about a specific move, they will go to its page. There is a reason why we have short descriptions for moves on the character's pages, and more in-depth descriptions on the moves' pages. It doesn't matter if these pages are "less visited" (which, let's be real, is a completely irrelevant point to bring up on a vast encyclopedic website), we organize things by where they go to make it easier for people to read the wiki. | |||
:::::"''As an example, the Ike trivia I mentioned was recently featured in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5NDczPuXRQ this video], but only because it was placed in a visible location.''" | |||
::::I'm well aware, I saw the video. If it were on the Aether page and not Ike's page, it would have removed one talking point from the video and not changed a thing. (Also, nice of you to constantly bombard the guy with trivia to the point where he changed his format so that you weren't the star of the show every time.) | |||
:::::"''And if a trivia section isn't that big, such as in this case, that's all the more reason to welcome this kind of trivia onto them.''" | |||
::::Pages don't ''need'' an insane amount of trivia on them, though. There's no need to have 15+ different trivia points—sometimes there's nothing to note. No one's gonna force themselves to bloat up Diddy Kong's Ultimate page just because there's like 3 points on there. | |||
::::[[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 13:49, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::::Trivia about a special move belongs on the move's article and nowhere else. It's not appropriate to put it on the character's article because there is a better place for it. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 13:52, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::::<edit conflict>It's a case study, Aidan. The point isn't that this one video got made, the point is that where the trivia is placed obviously affects how many people will read it. I thought I'd explained that properly, but obviously I hadn't. I'll ignore that ad hominem. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 13:53, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::::::One last point. "If it's, by your own admission, "trivia about a character's move", then it's trivia about a character's move." is the equivalent of saying "if it's trivia about a character's idle animation, then it's trivia about a character's idle animation, not about the character". A character's moves are an extension of them. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 14:38, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::::::I was saying that, if you were willing to still call it "trivia about a character's move" even after this whole discussion, then you're contradicting the very argument you set up to begin with. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 14:42, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::::::Alex ffs, we don't have articles for idle animations (like for each one specifically), we do have articles for each special move. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 14:43, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::::::::You've missed my point, Serpent King. Saying that trivia about a character's moves isn't trivia about a character, because it's trivia about a character's moves, and not about the character themselves is flawed logic, because it can be used to argue that trivia about any aspect of a character is trivia about that aspect of the character, and not about the character itself. Pick any piece of trivia you deem to be valid, and I can use Aidan's own logic to "prove" it's not trivia about the character. | |||
::::::::Aidan, I'm referring to it as such to distinguish it from other trivia about characters. If I were to refer to it as simply "trivia about characters", things would be confusing, because I would be saying "trivia about characters is trivia about characters". This has nothing to do with contradicting anything. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 14:46, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::Actually you missed my point that trivia belongs in the most relevant place. Since there is no more relevant place for an idle animation than the character article, the trivia would belong there. Since there IS a more relevant place for trivia on special moves, the trivia belongs on those articles. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 14:49, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
No, I didn't miss the point, because I wasn't responding to your point, I was responding to Aidan's. I've already disputed that just because a move has an article, trivia about it can't be put on a character's article. I don't need to repeat myself on that point. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 14:51, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:that is incorrect, we dont duplicate information unless it absolutely must exist in both locations like updates do. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 17:05, August 11, 2022 (EDT) | |||