File talk:SSBU spirit Sephiroth.png

Empty Space

Before this gets into a potential edit war I'd like to say some things. My original reasoning for the revert is that I assumed that the spirit list didn't have a means to center the spirits because most are already centered so there would be no point in adding that feature. I started to look at other spirits to prove my point, however I found that Dimitri (Fire Emblem) and Metal Gear ZEKE are centered yet their sprites are off-centered, meaning that there is a way for them to be shifted. As for why this sprite has so much white-space instead of being shifted I'm not sure. Toon Link's spirit is off-centered too both in game and the sprite, so perhaps it doesn't apply to fighter spirits? As such, if others think it would be best to have the cropped version then I won't push back more than I've already have. (I'd also like to see if 10.1.0 changes this, but who knows) --CanvasK (talk) 20:33, December 18, 2020 (EST)

As I explained on Discord, the render was already going to be awkward at low widths because of Masamune protruding as far to the side as it does, but this extraneous transparency takes that problem and makes it substantially worse. I don't think trimming the excess null transparency from the side sets a bad precedent, especially if we establish that it's a one-off for a particularly weird case and not a standing permission to start editing other ripped game assets. Miles (talk) 20:41, December 18, 2020 (EST)

I'm in agrement with Miles here. That empty space on the side of the image is completely unnecessary and aesthetically just makes the image look bad on the articles the image is set in. For the Wiki the preference for .png images is: Either completely squared with the character image as close to the center as possible, or the removal of as much empty space as possible with the edge's of the image as close to the render of the character as possible. That empty space is completely unneeded, unnecessary, and adds no benefit to the wiki by keeping it. If anything it just makes Seph's render even smaller in the galleries it's set in and just makes it look bad, which makes it come off as unprofessional looking compared to all the other images on the wiki.
Ixbran (talk) 16:04, December 19, 2020 (EST)

Don't we usually edit images to get rid of empty whitespace anyway...? Aidan, the Festive Rurouni 16:06, December 19, 2020 (EST)

Yup we always do. So why CanvasK insists on keeping the empty space for this one baffles me. Like i get the long sword makes it impossible for Sephiroths body to be in the center, but that's just how it is. But the FF Wiki has handled using this image as-is just fine, so we can as well.
Ixbran (talk) 16:23, December 19, 2020 (EST)

I'm fine with this image being cropped, the reason why I created the talk page is because I can see why making an exception would be needed. The only other spirits that I know that are cropped are Joker's alt fighter spirits (one's even over-cropped). If those are the standards then they should be written somewhere; I'm not finding anything like that other than "Images should represent the subject as "natural" as possible". —Preceding unsigned comment added by CanvasK (talk • contribs) 16:33, December 19, 2020 (EST)

See you're taking that statement out of context. "Images should represent the subject as "natural" as possible" refers to not using images that are heavily edited in photoshop. Like fan recolors, images that are distorted, or images with backgrounds that important where the backgrounds arent edited out. Stuff like empty space in a character render image is just unnecessary and make an image look unprofessional, and the removal of said extra space is an unspoken rule among editors that its just what we do for the Wiki.
Ixbran (talk) 01:03, December 20, 2020 (EST)

That is why I said "I'm not finding anything like that other than...", but maybe I should've said "The closest thing I could find to that rule is...". I uploaded an official image taken straight from the game's files and was under the impression that it should be kept 100% unmodified. I've given my thought process. If the rest of the conversation is going to be nit-picking about what I do or don't know about an unwritten rule that was decided on years before I made an account and have not once experienced, then I'm done with the conversation. The image is cropped, I've learned, have a nice day --CanvasK (talk) 08:25, December 20, 2020 (EST)